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27 Jun 2009, 1:15 am

I would only define true MJ fans as those people who just appreciates the music that he did, while never focusing on well the eccentric stuff he did before he died. I just pitied him as he tried to revive his sagging career and fame through a farewell concert series... He is awesome. But yeah, good people die young. May you allow me to cry here?



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27 Jun 2009, 4:28 pm

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Did you seriously just try to make the point that he was accused of sexual abuse and molestation, but not rape? Yeah... because everyone knows that alleged sexual abuse is waaay better than alleged rape. :roll:


Michael Jackson is only accused of the former not the later. I think treating accusations as facts is bad enough, not to mention broadening that liberally without any proof.

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Oh, and before you tell people to get their facts right before posting, you should probably check yours. Jackson was only actually acquitted in the second court case. In the first molestation case, in '93, Jackson ended up paying $22 million to the family to settle the case out of court.

Sorry, but personally, if I knew that I was innocent, I sure as hell wouldn't pay $22 million to the family that accused me of molestation. Sure, he didn't have to deal with a trial, but he also gave up the chance prove his innocence before the world.


If only you would extend your skepticism to everything and not just things that you don't like. Just have look at the materials available about the first case, the accuser hardly have a case at all. And if the states believed that they had a case, they could indict Michael Jackson anyway and subpoena the boy even if they already settled.

Also do you so conveniently neglect the fact that the boy had been sedated by Sodium Amytal before alleging Michael Jackson for molestation. If drugs with such strong suggestive property can be used to extract statement then we may as well just send anyone we don't like to prison without a trial.

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Yes, I am willing to "diss the verdict" of a group of people who were apparently not even bright enough to get out of jury duty. Sorry to have to break it to you, but juries aren't always made up of the best and brightest among us.


Sorry to break it to you too, the two accusing families are not the most honest among us either.

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Did either of you ever see the Martin Bashir documentary about Michael Jackson. I remember watching it when it first came out years ago. At least in my mind, it shed a lot of doubt on his innocence.


So now Martin Bashir is the honest guy and he will never twist interviews for viewings. I've heard that Michael Jackson has a rebuttal video and some of the families expressed that Martin Bashir twisted their wordings.



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27 Jun 2009, 4:34 pm

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I would only define true MJ fans as those people who just appreciates the music that he did, while never focusing on well the eccentric stuff he did before he died.



True. I won't say I'm his fan, but I love his music. And whatever his private life was, his music is beautiful.



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27 Jun 2009, 5:21 pm

I still find it a bit hard thinking that he is now dead, I didn't see it coming. The day he died is a day I'll never forget.



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27 Jun 2009, 6:58 pm

Here's a video I made. Please do watch it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jysNEAblj_k[/youtube]


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27 Jun 2009, 9:28 pm

Nice video that makes me weep.

No one can ever execute the moonwalk so perfectly, ever, like MJ. :(



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27 Jun 2009, 11:35 pm

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I would only define true MJ fans as those people who just appreciates the music that he did, while never focusing on well the eccentric stuff he did before he died.


Well said!


Though I would rather not be involved in discussion of his controversy, has anybody honestly stopped to think that maybe he's just an easy target?



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28 Jun 2009, 6:08 am

It surprised me too that he just passed 8O



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28 Jun 2009, 10:54 pm

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Michael Jackson is only accused of the former not the later. I think treating accusations as facts is bad enough, not to mention broadening that liberally without any proof.

well, yes, the issue is that people make their own assumptions out of what they listen and watch from the media and from other sources, and often most would tend to believe in rumors, I believe is very common for people to take things for granted without actual proof, and well, some would claim 'common sense' and perhaps even intuition as to support few claims but that doesn't do anything really.

I really can't say anything against him or for him related the case, because I really don't know the facts, I mean, I wasn't there and I was not involved in the events nor I was involved in the investigation, and given that, how can I have a say about that other than just pure speculation and nothing more than that, which would be meaningless by now.

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in '93, Jackson ended up paying $22 million to the family to settle the case out of court.

Sorry, but personally, if I knew that I was innocent, I sure as hell wouldn't pay $22 million to the family that accused me of molestation. Sure, he didn't have to deal with a trial, but he also gave up the chance prove his innocence before the world.

well, the setlement may raise some questions, that's true, the question is if that is enough to gain to a solid conclusion, and I wonder if that can be considered to be some sort of circumstancial evidence of guilt, and if that could be possibly valid, and if it is, I don't think that wouldn't be enough. Not to mention that what we know seem to be just a superficial knowledge of that fact, if I'm correct, I would think the knowledge of all the details of the settlement would be needed and examined.

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Yes, I am willing to "diss the verdict" of a group of people who were apparently not even bright enough to get out of jury duty. Sorry to have to break it to you, but juries aren't always made up of the best and brightest among us.

well, that may be very well true, but there is a problem, and the problem is puting oneself in a better position of judgement than the jury, I mean, if juries are to be questionable then why my or your own judgement should be of more reliability than theirs? and that is an interesting issue.

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Did either of you ever see the Martin Bashir documentary about Michael Jackson. I remember watching it when it first came out years ago. At least in my mind, it shed a lot of doubt on his innocence.

well, the question is how reliable is the information from documentaries anyway, and I mean any documentary? and mostly when their position is likely to be biased, wether it is in favor or against the issue, and well, I really don't trust the media anyway.


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29 Jun 2009, 6:03 am

No wonder... may MJ finally rest in peace with no money worries!



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29 Jun 2009, 12:37 pm

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well just because he was found not guilty does NOT mean he didnt do it, it only means he was found not guilty, and that the case was not strong enough against him to find him guilty. Does not mean he didnt do it...


This is precisely the reason why I gave watching television news and reading newspapers. I won't be indoctrinated by them!


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30 Jun 2009, 9:03 am

Let's hope you still love the star of all times...



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02 Jul 2009, 9:24 pm

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All the kids he raped probably aren't that sad to see him go.



MJ was found not guilty in both cases brought against him. And the cases brought charges of sexual abuse and molestation, not rape. He wasn't found guilty of sexual abuse or molestation. Get your facts right before posting, not to mention that's pretty disrespectful to say about him when he just died today.


The man built an amusement park in his back yard to make it easier to get little kids to come to his house. He even had plastic surgery to make his nose look like that of a toy. Although he was found not guilty, I believe that verdict as much as that of OJ. I'm sorry for saying that he raped kids, I should've said he molested kids, since that makes a world of difference.

I didn't respect the pedophile while he was alive, so why should I show respect now that he's dead?



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02 Jul 2009, 10:58 pm

Beccause he made good music? I suppose...



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05 Jul 2009, 6:30 am

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All the kids he raped probably aren't that sad to see him go.


Dude, do you have any respect for the dead?



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05 Jul 2009, 1:46 pm

Ugh... I can't believe some people's attitudes. Michael Jackson was a lovely, but abused and unwell man. He had a condition called Body dysmorphic disorder which is why he did so much plastic surgery on himself, nothing to do with attracting kids. He built a fairground in his yard to attract kids? so what. He wanted to be a kid himself, something he never had a chance to do thanks to his idiot father who forced him to be a singer. I stood by the man (not literally) all through both trials because I honestly trusted what he said over what the media said. You can never trust the media because they make up sensationalist lies to make money. Ending my rant, I would like to say that he will be sorely missed and his music will forever be legendary. (I'm going to buy his album once the £20 'death' rise has been reduced...) Rest in peace dude!


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