Why do NTs typically listen to really mindless, happy music?
You have fallen victim to some very bad logic.
If most of the fans of happy pop are NT does it then follow that most NTs are fans of happy pop? No. It does not. All you have actually observed is that most people are NT and will therefore make up the majority of the fanbase of any given genre (yes, even "nerdy" things). As another poster pointed out, if you go to a concert of gloomy and dark metal, the fans will STILL be mostly NT. Because most people are NT. It's simple statistics.
You have also mistaken happy pop for the majority of music. It may be ubiquitous in your personal enviroment: playing on the radio stations and in stores in your area, being discussed by people in your age group whose conversations you are aware of, but that does not make it the whole of music. It is not the one thing that most people listen to. There is no "one thing" that most people listen to anymore. There may have been at one time but that time is over. Now the world of recorded music is so giganctic and fragmented that the genre you percieve everybody else as listening to is just one niche market among many.
Actually, you fell to very bad logic. The fact of the matter is even if for the general population the majority is one thing doesn't mean that for a subset of the population that the majority is the same. For example, the majority of the US is white, but at the school I went to being white is a small minority. His logic is actually sounder than yours, if the majority of something has a certain property than it follows that at least some of the majority must overlap with that, so thus there must be NTs that listen to Happy Pop, assuming that Happy Pop is the majority of music.
The bolded part is what I am disputing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_popular_music
International and social impact
While happy pop is popular, I don't think a case can be made that it is the majority of music. Hiphop (which is frequently angry) and country music (which is frequently sad) have pretty big shares of international markets. If you add those two big sellers to all the smaller genres (such as classical, jazz, metal, rock etc.), happy pop looks like just one niche among many. Peoples' taste in music is far more diverse than the OP assumes, and AS people don't overwhelmingly gravitate to deeper, darker music either, as this and other threads show.
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music should not be challenging to understand. the best music (in my opinion (as i am required to say)) is instantly recognizable as intelligently melodic.
the best music (in my opinion) seems like it was "discovered" rather than "invented".
the best music (ffs "in my opinion") is music that seems to be obviously discoverable by anyone, yet it was only discovered by one person who penned the manuscript that assembled it for delivery to the listeners.
music that is "invented" is only understandable if one is acquainted with the mindset of it's composer, and without that acquaintance, invented music sounds like a feeble attempt to artificially sew musical notes into crudely woven semblances that are merely ornaments in a vestibule that houses onlyt the hallmarks of the composer's unknown and uncared about personality...in my opinion
music that is "discovered" is a truly new flavor, and it could never be invented because reality is infinitely more powerful than imagination.
i like the songs that i like far more than i dislike any criticism of my taste.
This is why Pollock, Rothko and the wird s**t art critics call "high art" sucks...it should just be melodic and intelligently composed (music) or be recognizable with emotive lines/clors visual art.)
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You have fallen victim to some very bad logic.
If most of the fans of happy pop are NT does it then follow that most NTs are fans of happy pop? No. It does not. All you have actually observed is that most people are NT and will therefore make up the majority of the fanbase of any given genre (yes, even "nerdy" things). As another poster pointed out, if you go to a concert of gloomy and dark metal, the fans will STILL be mostly NT. Because most people are NT. It's simple statistics.
You have also mistaken happy pop for the majority of music. It may be ubiquitous in your personal enviroment: playing on the radio stations and in stores in your area, being discussed by people in your age group whose conversations you are aware of, but that does not make it the whole of music. It is not the one thing that most people listen to. There is no "one thing" that most people listen to anymore. There may have been at one time but that time is over. Now the world of recorded music is so giganctic and fragmented that the genre you percieve everybody else as listening to is just one niche market among many.
Actually, you fell to very bad logic. The fact of the matter is even if for the general population the majority is one thing doesn't mean that for a subset of the population that the majority is the same. For example, the majority of the US is white, but at the school I went to being white is a small minority. His logic is actually sounder than yours, if the majority of something has a certain property than it follows that at least some of the majority must overlap with that, so thus there must be NTs that listen to Happy Pop, assuming that Happy Pop is the majority of music.
The bolded part is what I am disputing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_popular_music
International and social impact
While happy pop is popular, I don't think a case can be made that it is the majority of music. Hiphop (which is frequently angry) and country music (which is frequently sad) have pretty big shares of international markets. If you add those two big sellers to all the smaller genres (such as classical, jazz, metal, rock etc.), happy pop looks like just one niche among many. Peoples' taste in music is far more diverse than the OP assumes, and AS people don't overwhelmingly gravitate to deeper, darker music either, as this and other threads show.
I'm pretty sure that internationally Heavy Metal and Jazz are more popular than Country internationally, Heavy Metal probably isn't listed there as it is European in origin, not American music tradition, and it can also be counted under Rock. Rock is probably the most popular single music genre besides Pop internationally. I've been around the world and I've heard a lot more Rock than Country on the radio, most countries have their own pop-folk music. Rock is definitely not a smaller genre compared to Country and Hip-Hop. Maybe Hip-hop, but definitely not Country. Anyway, that's besides the point. I've heard a heck lot more of Happy Pop than sad Country or angry Hiphop passing by. Most of the R&B and Hip-hop that's popular around can be consider "Happy Pop". Same goes for the folkier stuff.
I'm not saying that the OP is right, but your'e logic is still flawed as is everyones, including mine. I say in the very least there is an undeniable trend for the socially alienated to be drawn to heavier music and more introspective music than the general populace, this is part of the reason while Heavy Metal is still doing strong despite being less commercialized is because of it's fanbase which provides a sense of alternative community to new metalheads. Same goes with Alternative.
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Ganondox, metal started with Black sabbath. They are American. It did pick up firs tin England, however.
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Some happy songs are okay, but for a song to really grab me, it needs to have an edge. It doesn't need to be super intense, or even sad in any way, it just needs to have a little bit of "bite".
But God, I hate the incredibly generic, formulaic and mindless modern pop songs (you know the ones) that seem to be playing everywhere. They just sound grating and awful to me. Maybe I liked the first 5 songs in that style that I heard, but I got sick of it so quickly. Pop music was better 5 years ago, and even better 5 years before that, and so on.
I'm just so tired of NT's listening nonstop to music about SEX! I feel like my entire society is based around it!
...well, naturally, as creatures too, we are supposed to mate and everything, but still... WHYYYYY?!?!?!?!? I don't want people talking about their 'disco stick' or their 'hump' in front of everyone. I feel like such terminology created in songs is being used in such ways to shape women as naughty, dependent objects. Which is beyond disgusting. I'm a lesbian, I love women, but that crosses the line!
I have, for the better part of my life, been extremely out-of-touch with what mainstream music is. This, to an extent, is true even today. My music is all that I know. I have, however, become a bit more aware of what most people around me listen to. Quite frankly, it's very different than I tend to gravitate to.
One thing I have learned, though, is that most people do not listen to music to feel it. They listen to music to stop thinking. For many, music is just background noise, or something to energize them (say for a good work-out or cleaning... etc) and the lyrics mean very little. If something is complex, it tends to grab your attention, and thus would defeat the purpose. They don't want to consider what the song is about, they just want simplistic rhythms to get the blood flowing, and music that meets this requirement is generally the up-beat pop music.
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Did you just say Black Sabbath is American? They are from freaking Birmingham! Also, Led Zeppelin is from London, Deep Purple in Hetford, Judas Priest is also from Birmingham, even the next wave was British, hence the name. Heck, even most of the Proto-metal like The Who and Cream were British. The scene was completely rooted in England. The only Americans I can think of who were important to the early scene were Jimi Hendrix, and he moved to London, and Dick Dale, who is only barely related to the development of Metal.
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i think the best music is automatic music. music that does not have to be calculated or preformed to express an attitude. i think this song is one of my favourites and i have my own version of it as well.
i do not like dark brooding music at all. music is a portrait of ones imagination, and happy imaginations make the best music.
a lot of young people will see this clip as antiquated and not listen to the song and therefore dismiss it summarily, but this is an exceptional example of musical genius i believe.
i have recorded my own version of this song because i liked it so much, but....it is "pop" music i guess in the minds of young people who consider real music as a form of attitude mainly.
whatever.
i have to go.
here is the song
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEX2yrZDks[/youtube]
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Did you just say Black Sabbath is American? They are from freaking Birmingham! Also, Led Zeppelin is from London, Deep Purple in Hetford, Judas Priest is also from Birmingham, even the next wave was British, hence the name. Heck, even most of the Proto-metal like The Who and Cream were British. The scene was completely rooted in England. The only Americans I can think of who were important to the early scene were Jimi Hendrix, and he moved to London, and Dick Dale, who is only barely related to the development of Metal.
Damn, I made a large music knowledge error. That is very rare for me...thought Ozzy was American all this time. Wasn't it Judas priest and Iron Maiden that started it's rise in popularity?
Led Zeppelin is more hard rock to me, but they could be considered metal for their time period....how I see old Metallica too.
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Did you just say Black Sabbath is American? They are from freaking Birmingham! Also, Led Zeppelin is from London, Deep Purple in Hetford, Judas Priest is also from Birmingham, even the next wave was British, hence the name. Heck, even most of the Proto-metal like The Who and Cream were British. The scene was completely rooted in England. The only Americans I can think of who were important to the early scene were Jimi Hendrix, and he moved to London, and Dick Dale, who is only barely related to the development of Metal.
Damn, I made a large music knowledge error. That is very rare for me...thought Ozzy was American all this time. Wasn't it Judas priest and Iron Maiden that started it's rise in popularity?
Led Zeppelin is more hard rock to me, but they could be considered metal for their time period....how I see old Metallica too.
I also have been walking around on this planet for way too long thinking that The Osbournes were americans.
I haven't noticed this with regard to aspie v.s NT. I have noticed that the majority of people seem to enjoy simpler happier music with a repetitive melody in a major key. I don't think it has that much to do with intelligence. I've come to the conclusion that people are really just born with different emotional strings. You can't teach people to share your taste if their brain is just wired differently than yours.
I personally like a lot of darker music that people with more ordinary taste would see as a downer or masochistic, only they don't get that it isn't really a downer to me. I find melancholy music in a non-major key very soothing and when I can get absorbed in it my mood is actually elevated. I also like little bits of dissonance and unpredictability that make music dramatic and evocative. When it comes to "happy" music in a major key I'm more picky. I find most pop music bland unless it happens to have a clever rhythm to it.
It was odd growing up in the 1990s when darker edgier music broke into mainstream rock with the whole grunge/alternative scene. It seems darker music was finally "cool" but then after a while it became rather fake and cliche at which point it was no longer cool.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNd7TVlGCMk[/youtube]
Love Perfume. People think I am completely mad if I listen to this. I've not met one other person with the same appreciation as me.
That said, I do listen to fairly complex kinda music sometimes, too. I especially like Yellow Magic Orchestra. My username is a YMO song. This song is fairly dark sounding, though.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsdza2iyvE[/youtube]
But there's not much on the radio I like, because there's very little "happy" music on the radio really. I feel like most pop music now tries to be more dark, sexual, and intellectual than it should be. It's so rare to hear an actual happy song on the radio that's like, just happy, without being overly sexual or about partying. There's very little songs like "Today is a nice day!" or anything.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGwwhiBe3NM[/youtube]
I mean I love my melancholy as much as anyone else, but I have to say I try to lean towards happy. To me, this is a proper example of melancholy.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLx6n2fkw58[/youtube]
Yay I posted a bunch of songs I like.
I haven't noticed this with regard to aspie v.s NT. I have noticed that the majority of people seem to enjoy simpler happier music with a repetitive melody in a major key. I don't think it has that much to do with intelligence. I've come to the conclusion that people are really just born with different emotional strings. You can't teach people to share your taste if their brain is just wired differently than yours.
I personally like a lot of darker music that people with more ordinary taste would see as a downer or masochistic, only they don't get that it isn't really a downer to me. I find melancholy music in a non-major key very soothing and when I can get absorbed in it my mood is actually elevated. I also like little bits of dissonance and unpredictability that make music dramatic and evocative. When it comes to "happy" music in a major key I'm more picky. I find most pop music bland unless it happens to have a clever rhythm to it.
It was odd growing up in the 1990s when darker edgier music broke into mainstream rock with the whole grunge/alternative scene. It seems darker music was finally "cool" but then after a while it became rather fake and cliche at which point it was no longer cool.
I agree with this in some regards as a some music that people describe as "happy" I just find irritating and not happy at all.
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