Do people really hate Country Music?

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24 Jul 2015, 10:14 am

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I have had quite a few people tell me to my face, if it ain't country, it ain't music, knowing I prefer the music of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms, Stan Kenton, Benny a Goodman, etc. I say country ain't music because it, like most popular music of today, is brainless swill. Classical, as well as Jazz, is marginalized in this country because you have to use your gray matter in order to appreciate it, something most NT's, and I suspect a few Aspies, can't or won't do. Then, again, very few people, over the last 60 years, have been exposed to this type of music, no thanks to the gutting of school music programs here in the U.S.


My dad had greatly appreciated classical music. I remember as a kid, he would buy records of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc, and how the house would be filled with their music playing on the record player. Probably because as a kid, I associated such music with "old people," I never really came to appreciate it.


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24 Jul 2015, 3:41 pm

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I have had quite a few people tell me to my face, if it ain't country, it ain't music, knowing I prefer the music of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms, Stan Kenton, Benny a Goodman, etc. I say country ain't music because it, like most popular music of today, is brainless swill. Classical, as well as Jazz, is marginalized in this country because you have to use your gray matter in order to appreciate it, something most NT's, and I suspect a few Aspies, can't or won't do. Then, again, very few people, over the last 60 years, have been exposed to this type of music, no thanks to the gutting of school music programs here in the U.S.


YOU sound just as bad as the people who say they only like Country. I appreciate Classical Music. Don't care much for Jazz though, and I don't see how anyone could say its on the same level as Classical.



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25 Jul 2015, 1:11 am

I know this is a thread about Country m00zicks & how people Feel about Country m00-zaxx but I just couldn't help but notice & realise that there is much uninformedness going on about the different genres. All genres have their own mix of the « lyrics » that people can connect with or not (unless it's mostly or entirely instrumental), and in fact, some of the « country » genre-releases were originally oldies as are some of the electronic dance-music releases. Some of the « country » classics even have re-mixes to them now such as from famous names like Willie Nelson...

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I have had quite a few people tell me to my face, if it ain't country, it ain't music, knowing I prefer the music of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms, Stan Kenton, Benny a Goodman, etc. I say country ain't music because it, like most popular music of today, is brainless swill. Classical, as well as Jazz, is marginalized in this country because you have to use your gray matter in order to appreciate it, something most NT's, and I suspect a few Aspies, can't or won't do. Then, again, very few people, over the last 60 years, have been exposed to this type of music, no thanks to the gutting of school music programs here in the U.S.


YOU sound just as bad as the people who say they only like Country. I appreciate Classical Music. Don't care much for Jazz though, and I don't see how anyone could say its on the same level as Classical.

Here, have another re-mix of a Willie Nelson song, just because...

...also, just because, and knowing that a lot of religious people are often very Anti-Madonna, not to cause trouble or anything (okay, actually, perhaps some trouble :wink: ), I am going to include a clip of Madonna singing about Prayers...


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25 Jul 2015, 4:22 pm

I love country guitar.
I just can't identify with the lyrics.



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27 Jul 2015, 7:20 am

I'm forced to dance to it (bootscooter here), but I don't particularly like it all that much.



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30 Jul 2015, 1:56 am

A little rockabilly, courtesy of Elvis's onetime girlfriend:



I find rockabilly to be a good entry to country for rock fans, it's familiar sounding, but twangy enough to whet the appetite to dig a little deeper into the genre.

Also, I'm with the people saying a lot of it is cultural signaling, country is heavily identified with right wing politics in the minds of many urban liberal types, poisoning them against it regardless of its musical merits. Strangely, I can't think of a left wing equivalent, other than NPR... :lol:


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30 Jul 2015, 3:03 am

Stop calling each others' tastes toxic. Bluegrass is obviously country because everything we're discussing came from folk tunes and marching ditties. Saying country is formed around popular formulations and tropes is like saying pop music is composed only by 10,000 captive hipsters at typewriters. I only turn the country off when I hear right wing propaganda because all those windbags just sound like they've no idea who Woodie Guthrie was. Or Jerry Garcia, Phil Lesh, Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young, Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, John Denver or hell, Bob Marley! Yeah, please tell me more about how people who sing about the land they love aren't country musicians. :roll:


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04 Aug 2015, 7:59 am

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I think what turns most people off about modern country is related to the old cliche when someone says they "like all music except for country and rap": they care less about the music and more about the cultural implications. Most people will readily admit that they like singers like Johnny Cash, but when it comes to more modern artists who more strongly reflect the blue-collar "country lifestyle" (which typically entails righter-leaning politics), that can turn off more than a few people who don't identify with those perspectives.

I have a lot of respect for *early* country and western (i.e. 1920s-1940s) as I actually have some family roots in some popular singing groups from the time, and I also find quite a lot of merit in the 1970s era of Willie Nelson and George Jones, but modern country is personally rather bland and unengaging to my ears. Personal taste is personal taste.


Isn't Rock n' Roll blue collar? Also, a lot of Pop music is very sleazy.
I don't associate Country as being blue collar necessarily. To me its just a style of music that I love.
I was raised in an Upper Middle class family and we all are big Country Music Fans. To me Country Music is more wholesome music that seems more innocent and people who dress up more and go to church. That is Country Music to me.

I think Johnny Cash is terrible. But there are so many great Country artists. I like early 90s Country the best because I was 12 years old in 1991 and we got cable TV and Country Music Television. I feel like today's Country Music is far too commercialized. The lyrics are lacking. But I don't care if its considered right wing- I am a Conservative myself, but politics have nothing to do with good songs. I just like the way Country music is performed when its done right.

I just don't like indie Rock or any of that type of music because its trying too hard and lacking in personality. The Beatles are horrid! Pop Rock is very bland to me. But I can't really tell the difference between Today's Country and Pop Music. I don't see why people don't like Pop music. Its worse than the bad Country.

You know, I agree with your opinion on modern pop rock and indie junk. 80's, I think sounded better musically, but the lyrical content was still shallow, and sleazy. All this lovey dovey garbage that never really drew me to the music anyway.

The Beatles, musically were pretty good, but they were blasphemous, so I scratched them off my list.

I don't enjoy country music in general. And I agree that the modern stuff is just really bad.

There's just too much twanginess, and styles that I don't connect with.

I could see myself developing an appreciation for older country styles, but simply lack interest at this time.

There is a hymnal album from Alan Jackson. It was definitely country in style, but I thought it was tasteful and actually enjoyed it to some extent.

I still prefer Christian jazz, though. I'm such a city slicker :P

I think it's because you grew up with country that it resonates so well with you. I would not consider it an inferior style per se. Just that I grew up with jazz and 80's stuff, so that's what resonates well with me. I relate to it on a very emotional and surreal level. Probably like you do with country.

That's why I don't criticize your taste. Because I think we're a lot more alike than may seem at first glance. I respect your taste and frame of reference.

I'm even more alone than you because I like chiptune music. 99.9% of society would think I'm just an 80's kid who never grew up (they're probably right) and that it's inferior because it sounds like Mario music. It actually gets every bit as complex as jazz and classical if not more so. Simply because of channel limitations, rapid arpeggios to make chords, and very creative interlacing between channels on some chip sets.

You can make almost any genre with chiptunes, including jazz and Country music. So chiptunes is more of a timbral ascetic rather than a genre in a lot of cases.

As least most people will think your tastes are fairly normal and acceptable.


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04 Aug 2015, 3:35 pm

I think it is a unique genre because I find its something people love or hate. I myself thing its just alright.



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07 Aug 2015, 8:31 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
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I have had quite a few people tell me to my face, if it ain't country, it ain't music, knowing I prefer the music of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms, Stan Kenton, Benny a Goodman, etc. I say country ain't music because it, like most popular music of today, is brainless swill. Classical, as well as Jazz, is marginalized in this country because you have to use your gray matter in order to appreciate it, something most NT's, and I suspect a few Aspies, can't or won't do. Then, again, very few people, over the last 60 years, have been exposed to this type of music, no thanks to the gutting of school music programs here in the U.S.


YOU sound just as bad as the people who say they only like Country. I appreciate Classical Music. Don't care much for Jazz though, and I don't see how anyone could say its on the same level as Classical.


Hey, rvacountrysinger, check out this:



It's a folk tune using vocals, accoustic guitar like instruments, and a Gameboy! Chiptunes is a very versatile form of music. It's not so much a genre as it is an aesthetic style of timbre. Although, some people consider the Commodore 64 and Amiga demoscene music to be of it's own genre (though a lot of it sounds like 80's electronica). 8)


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07 Aug 2015, 9:12 pm

I don't like today's country music because it is not the country music that generation X grew up with. Today's music is top 40 and rock music with a fake twang. Florida Georgia Line and Jason Aldean made me take today's country/western music off my favorites. Urban rapping and country music do NOT mix. I'm glad that people like Alan Jackson, George Strait, and Garth Brooks have never rapped their country music.

The songs that play today on country music radio have to do with any one of these topics: loving a young woman, driving to the lake, driving to the river, partying until dawn, skinny dipping, getting a tan, and about how "Country" I am. The tradition of country artists picking on "countrypolitan" radio listeners (that means people listening to country in big cities) about how I'm more "country" than YOU are is getting way too old.

I will always support 1980s and 1990s country music because the songs were basic, the artists were great and it wasn't modern rock or rap with a twang.



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08 Aug 2015, 11:44 pm

I prefer jazz over classical music. I don't see any reason for the bashing of music genres.


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11 Aug 2015, 4:32 am

Yeah I hate the typical modern country song you'd hear on a country radio station. I do like older country and folk music though. I've got a real love for acoustic work.



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14 Aug 2015, 10:50 am

Seems like it's one of those things you're supposed to dislike. I have no idea why. I like country music.


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20 Aug 2015, 9:28 pm

Personally I consider it the lowest form of music. Certainly the least listenable. But that's only my opinion. As are all musical tastes. Now I can't say Ive ever cared to explore it that deeply because it's just something I cant stand. I sort of really hate country southern type things (except food). They personally annoy me.

I cant make sweeping assessments of the quality of the music, but anything I ever heard all sounds the same. Same composition boring old verse chorus verse business. All the hooks sound the same. All the songs are in the same same time signature which bores my ears. The guitars are all either acoustic or the same tone on every song. There just doesn't seem to be any innovation or creativity, just spitting out the same old formulaic stuff. There is never a chance you'll hear something really new. At least so it seems. I could be wrong, or maybe that's the appeal for some, but I don't get it.

But it's funny because as a fan of music I'm well aware most people interpret as noise, I was contemplating just how weird the phenomena of musical taste is. We can hear the same exact thing, and I hear the greatest thing ever and you hear utter trash that cant even be tolerated. The same songs that get me pumped up, that Ive listened to a thousand times or more and love it every time, you would not even get through one listen, nor find even the slightest thing to enjoy. And the same would hold true for your favorite songs with me. There's no right answer but we are all the ones who get it in our own minds. just weird...



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21 Aug 2015, 9:55 am

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Personally I consider it the lowest form of music. Certainly the least listenable. But that's only my opinion. As are all musical tastes. Now I can't say Ive ever cared to explore it that deeply because it's just something I cant stand. I sort of really hate country southern type things (except food). They personally annoy me.

I cant make sweeping assessments of the quality of the music, but anything I ever heard all sounds the same. Same composition boring old verse chorus verse business. All the hooks sound the same. All the songs are in the same same time signature which bores my ears. The guitars are all either acoustic or the same tone on every song. There just doesn't seem to be any innovation or creativity, just spitting out the same old formulaic stuff. There is never a chance you'll hear something really new. At least so it seems. I could be wrong, or maybe that's the appeal for some, but I don't get it.

But it's funny because as a fan of music I'm well aware most people interpret as noise, I was contemplating just how weird the phenomena of musical taste is. We can hear the same exact thing, and I hear the greatest thing ever and you hear utter trash that cant even be tolerated. The same songs that get me pumped up, that Ive listened to a thousand times or more and love it every time, you would not even get through one listen, nor find even the slightest thing to enjoy. And the same would hold true for your favorite songs with me. There's no right answer but we are all the ones who get it in our own minds. just weird...


I think part of the problem is that a lot of people use music to support their identity, and many can't listen to music without all the cultural/social preconceptions and notions of what things should sound like. To hear music with new ears, without any frame of reference, makes a huge difference.

I like some country. The stuff on the radio is 95% bad though. We shouldn't diminish the country music tradition's impact on our history and culture. Listen to early 20th century folk and bluegrass, then Woody Guthrie, then Hank Williams. If you want to appreciate a genre, you gotta start at the roots.