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Wtf?

Bands change genre all the time, and as I remeber it Nightwish was also mentioned, you know how they all sound like soft Metal, alot of people can't tell the difference. Wait, if WT reminds you of Nightwish and Nightwish reminds of Epica doesn't that make them sound at least somewhat the same? Right but this isn't about how you hear the music, which is what I've been trying to get across all along. That's because they are cheesy. I'm hardly reccomending bands to you, I'm saying that there is a whole website that is just a click away that proves what I'm saying, even if you don't go there it still stands. I hear you, but Wikipedia seems to support what I'm saying not you, and I've never been to Allmusic. Still whether or not they were poor, despair might be Gothic, not I'm sure on the specific deffinition, but Suicide isn't, and neither is "Social isolation", this doesn't have anything to do with whatever "traditional gothic", I assume you mean Goth? It has to do with teenage dissatisfaction, if you want to communicate properly you need to understand the commonly used meanings for words, I mean alot of kids have extremely poor grammar, but that doesn't mean you should start using it because overall people will still not understand you, you need to use proper grammar, just like you need to use the proper meaning for words, otherwise you get the confusion we've been having. I don't care about changing their minds, I care about the free flow of information which doesn't occur until you understand something, which is why I'm constantly bitching about this.

The reason why you aren't listening is because you don't understand what I'm trying to say, you still don't understand that I'm not disagreeing with you on what Gothic is, even though I've said it countless times. Right Neogoth, I don't see what the problem here is then, the more I define Goth Cultutre the more you seem to agree with me. I honestly don't see where the disagreement is! The only thing we can't seem to agree on is whether or not I can agree with you! You know what? Fine I can't agree with you, I'm stubborn and hateful and a cultural tyrant, how's that? -_-;

I'm sorry. You're not a cultural tyrant. You just need to be a little more open minded. And I do too, for that matter. I don't see how we're agreeing about goth culture though...anything I consider to be common in goth culture or lyrics or tones, you say isn't gothic, and that's not agreeing--that's disagreeing. But whatever...it doesn't matter. I'll look into that web site.

not too enthusiastic on getting in an argument on these forums or any forum infact too many pseudo-intellects on the internetz

eld and below the lights were worth listening to.. but some of the ideas just didn't work.

no, i much prefer listening to music rather than talking bollocks too

Listening to Kamelot's new album, Ghost Opera. Haven't finished it, but what I have heard so far is godly.

I also heard Symphony X's Paradise Lost. It's decent.

It's not that I'm not listening, you're just not being very clear on what you mean. I've read over your posts several times each trying to understand what you're trying to say. That's part of why it takes me hours on every last one of these horrible posts.

About the goth/gothic thing...that's how I've been USING it. Gothic as an adjective, and goth as a noun. And you're still not listening. You keep thinking that anytime I say goth or gothic instead of Neogoth, I mean traditional goth. But that's not it. When I mean traditional goth, I say traditional goth. To me neogoth isn't neo, it's just goth. So if I use "gothic" as an adjective, I mean as an adjective to describe something that relates (however vaguely) to "neogoth." So I totally know that gothic metal has nothing to do with traditional goth. I never said that it did. THIS is why I've been saying all along that there are two meanings for the same word! And sheesh, you can't stop contradicting yourself. First you say we agree on what gothic is (when we clearly don't), then you bring up Neogoth without ever admitting, "Okay, maybe you are right aboutt hat."

I know that my opinion on Evanescence isn't shared, and I never said that they were officially gothic, just that Amy Lee--JUST Amy Lee--was blatant about being gothic, and that I personally consider them gothic, regardless of what label they choose to adopt, especially since they sound so similar to Within Temptation which IS regarded as gothic rock. Besides, in the other thread I said that their official description was alternative pop rock, and described exactly why I felt that this wasn't an accurate description. My view is not "unsupported"--I have plenty of reason to have this opinion of them, but I don't think getting into all of it would matter to you because you don't think genres ARE a matter of opinion, and you have a completely different view of all things gothic, and you said yourself that how I hear music doesn't matter. So, please, do us both a favor and don't mention them again if you intend to argue--there's no f*****g point. Don't even reply to this paragraph, please just read and nod and say "Okay."

I never said my goth culture had any influence on yours. I merely said that they shared the same name. I also stopped saying that traditional goth was dead a long time ago--in this thread have you ever seen me call it old or outdated? No, I merely called it traditional. I've actually looked and seen a lot of modern traditional goth and darkwave and what not.

But anyway, NEITHER of us are enjoying this s**t. Why are we still talking? I'm not going to convince you of anything and I've stopped trying to a while ago, and you're not going to convince me of anything. So let's just agree to disagree and stop posting.

Wait a minute are we talking about Ostrogoths or Visigoths?