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Well, I won't say you have bad taste. But you'll probably like what I will say even less.

I would say you're ignorant about music. Metal, regardless if it's death or black or doom or prog or whatever, is still a very,very narrow and conservative style of music. That's why it's all called "metal." Metal is an extremely limited subgenre of rock that has long relied on some very strict conventions. Those conventions have been recycled to death and in order to make it interesting, bands have resorted to very superficial tactics, like speed it up, slow it down, use 7 string guitars or dropped tunings, add some meandering "improv" in the middle that they mistakeningly call "jazz," get a keyboardist to add some ambient drone or a second vocalist who can actually sing (as opposed to grunting, snarling or screeching), add flutes, whatever. I was a metal fan for a long time myself too (I had close to 1000 CDs of different metal from the 80's up until the mid 90's, and that's not including my LP, EP and demo collection - it was an obsession), and I've pretty much heard it all. .

But at the end of the day, it's all just metal. Sorry. You have hardly the diverse taste you think you do if this is the majority of music that you listen too, even if you name 1,000+ bands. You just like the conventions that metal employs, and it's likely that whatever else you listen to that's not metal uses very similar conventions. It's like someone saying "I love literature, but I mostly just read romance novels." Anyone who knows literature would laugh that that, just like anyone who knows music would laugh at someone saying they love music yet listen mostly to metal.

A fellow musician once told me, "I've always found that people who truly love music like a wide variety of music." As a musican with a varied background (classical, early music, jazz, blues, folk, world music and rock), I can say that's true, without a doubt. There is an entire universe out there of really great music, and you're content with a closetful of very limited and often mediorce (if not bad) music. And that's a very ignorant and arrogant attitude to take, one that's sadly commonplace among metal fans, as I've experinced. That's one of the reasons why I don't like metal anymore (in addition to being thoroughly bored with it) - the fans as well as the bands themselves tend to be, well, bigots and morons, to be frank.

Now if that's the kind of music fan and person you want to be, if that's what you want to spend your time listening to and limiting yourself to, fine. God knows I know better than to try to broaden the mind of a metalhead. But please don't try to pass yourself off as having "diverse" taste.

You don't actually know what I do listen to. I've said plenty of times, I listen to a lot of genres, but my favourite bands are metal/industrial. Jesus, I can't help the fact that, out of the music I listen to, the ones I like the most are metal. Wouldn't it be more hypocritical of me to lie and list a load of bands I don't like that much, just to prove I listen to different kinds of music. I like classical, rock, alternative and plenty of others. I never said all I listened to was metal. Most of my favourite bands are metal, yes. But out of every single artist I like, I woudn't say the majority are metal at all. Also, I'm not a bigotted moron. To make such a claim like that, based on a few bands I like, is quite ridiculous.

Thanks for the translation, i could not be bothered reading all that.

So, Cade, you're saying that Emerson Lake & Palmer, Aerosmith, Type O Negative, and Relient K all make basically the same music??

Maybe in the sense that there are only so many arrangements of notes that can sound pleasing to the human ear, but not, I think, in the sense you seem to mean. Unless you're going to contend that Miles Davis, Tommy Dorsey, Ella Fitzgerald, and Herbie Hancock are all the same, because they all play jazz...

I think a lot of the bands I listed are very different in a lot of ways.
And, like I've said several times, they are certainly not the only artists I listen to.

Please don't encourage her.
Them large blocks of texts give me a headache

They give me a headache too.
I guess I kind of have to read them though as they're aimed at me...

It's not compulsory & you do have Danielismyname to translate for you.

cade is right. apart from the generalizations in the 1st paragraph, but they're somewhat justified. I still enjoy metal but most listeners that I have come into contact that exclusively listen to metal are voidheads.

Again, I do not exclusively listen to metal.
And Cade is not right, actually.

I listen to a lot of Industrial and similar genres. But I also listen to a lot of other things.

A few months ago, I get into the elevator at work as I arrive in the morning, wearing my MP3 player. A friend of mine arriving at the same time asked what I was listening to. So I told her what was playing at the time: Marilyn Manson. She seemed a little surprised that I listened to Manson, but whatever.

Later that week, same elevator, same friend, same MP3 player. She asked if I was listening to Marilyn Manson again. I told her what was playing at the time: Mel Tormé. She seemed even more surprised that someone who'd listen to Manson would also listen to Tormé.

My musical tastes are all over the map. I don't like opera, I detest country-and-western, but other than that anything goes. On my MP3 player I have everything from Mozart to Motorhead.

I'd say close this thread. We all need to tolerate each other's musical tastes.

I tolerate anyone's musical tastes. Even when they're s**t.

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Amon Amarth rule! Their last album is brilliant. In Flames I've seen live, they're pretty good, only know their newest album though.