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07 Mar 2012, 8:42 pm

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My Bloody Valentine's Loveless really is a pinnacle. A rare emotional bond. Lovely.

I saw them in Manchester the other week... second best gig of all time. Some tearfully good moments.

I envy you.

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I'm actually unsure where to draw the line between "dream pop" and "shoegaze".



well dream pop has an delay with a psychedelic sounding without the fuzzy sound like the cocteau twins

and shoegaze has mixes of Space rock, Dream pop alongside the noise rock like sonic youth and dinosaur jr combing with spaceman 3, Loop, Jesus and Mary Chain and Cocteau twins

that's what i think

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Yeah, I think your definition says it quite well.

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M83? Really? They're too 'lush' to fit my definition of shoegaze...


like "lush" the word or "Lush" the band?
because the latter is a shoegazing band.

:lol:

I sometimes wonder whether "Lush" could also qualify as dream pop. Like "Mew".

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i got My Bloody Valentine - Loveless cus of this thread gotta admit im not terribly into it .. maby it will grow on me, but it somehow seems kinda silly

It's funny. I usually take a long time until I get into music, but I immediately fell in love with "Loveless". I still can't listen to "Isn't Anything" though...

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Lose my breath by My Bloody Valentine is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever made and I'm a big Spaceman 3/Spiritualized fan but a lot of the other shoegazing bands have always left me cold. I liked Swervedriver but maybe thats because they rocked a bit harder than a lot of the other bands. I've always felt bands like Mogwai and GY!BE better represent what the better original shoegaze bands were all about than groups like Silversun Pickups, who are OK but a bit too lightweight

Aw, Spacemen 3. <3

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has anyone heard primary colours by the horrors. I'm really into it just now. Sounds a lot like jesus and mary chain and my bloody valentine.

Yeah, the album is cool. VERY different to their first record. I was amazed.


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07 Mar 2012, 9:12 pm

I adore bands that can almost be considered shoegaze such as Dinosaur Jr., Sonic Youth, and Yo La Tengo. I loved Silversun Pickups' first EP Pikul. I'm really not too fond of their newer stuff though. "Kissing Families" is my absolute favorite SP song.



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12 Mar 2012, 2:31 pm

I like the fuzzier, more melodic end of the shoegazer spectrum, merging into the more tuneful end of stoner rock.

I absolutely adore Ride's "Going Blank Again" but could never get into "Nowhere".

Also love "Happy Days" by Catherine Wheel, even though / because it's their heaviest album by some considerable margin.

Have also just managed to get hold of "Slingshot Echoes" by the Mezzanine Owls, and like it very much.


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13 Mar 2012, 8:29 am

I feel the same about "Nowhere". But I have bigger issues with My Bloody Valentine's "Isn't Anything".


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13 Mar 2012, 10:34 am

Would this be considered Shoegaze?
I 'think' I like the genre, but I have a hard time discerning what is and isn't shoegaze. Also, does anyone have any suggestions on some of the best bands out there?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwZabGbZ8E[/youtube]


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13 Mar 2012, 12:50 pm

Apart from my bloody Valentine and slowdive, I like Asobi Seksu, Lush and and on a heavier note...Jesu. Though I'd say I almost prefer dream-like shoegaze a little bit more.



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13 Mar 2012, 1:35 pm

Applying genre definitions always makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, but I must admit I'm a real lover of shoegaze-style music. The difference between shoegaze and blissrock gets a bit blurry for me, but a quick look through my music collection makes me recommend:

A Place To Bury Strangers (LOUD!)
Asobi Seksu (jangly Jpop with Kevin Shields-esque guitars)
Butterfly Explosion (in the Slowdive tradition)
Catherine Wheel (the first couple of albums are more shoegazey and less heavy)
Hologram (blissed-out Jrock)
My Bloody Valentine (needs no introduction)
My vitriol (in the MBV vein, but owe as much to Nirvana and Guided By Voices)
Ride (again, no introduction needed!)
Sennen (did spaced-out noisy jams early on but became poppier and more song-orientated recently)
Sinnda Bokuno Kanojo (My Dead Girlfriend) (more noisy blissed-out Jrock)
Slowdive (another classic)
Supercar (Jrock mixed with electronica)
The Verve (the 1992 EP and singles, and the 1993 debut album A Storm in Heaven are very shoegazey and IMO the best songs they ever did)



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13 Mar 2012, 2:40 pm

Oooh! I've gotta write this stuff down and Youtube it tonight!

That being said, check these guys out! My old roommate used to listen to them. They're pretty darn decent, I think!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbXSHgdQcnQ&[/youtube]


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13 Mar 2012, 7:03 pm

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The Verve (the 1992 EP and singles, and the 1993 debut album A Storm in Heaven are very shoegazey and IMO the best songs they ever did)

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14 Mar 2012, 7:15 am

Seefeel covered a lot of ground, but some of their best stuff was kinda shoegazey

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XGdzy9bynQ&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nD4_gNEC1Y&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ELDxwd5pVg[/youtube]


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15 Mar 2012, 12:16 pm

AnnettaMarie wrote:
Would this be considered Shoegaze?


Yeah I think so. At the end of the day it's just a label - makes it easier for people to guess what they'll like, based purely on a verbal description. If someone told me to find this, "cos it has a slightly alt country / shoegazer thing going on" I wouldn't be disappointed. It's really good.

Shoegazer is a particularly broad label, too. Take Ride for example, started out all churning and fuzzy, then went through a baggy psychaedelic phase, and ended up as a retro Mod band.

Life's a lot easier now we can all share YouTube links. Well, when the record companies allow it, of course.


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15 Mar 2012, 3:10 pm

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AnnettaMarie wrote:
Would this be considered Shoegaze?


Yeah I think so. At the end of the day it's just a label - makes it easier for people to guess what they'll like, based purely on a verbal description. If someone told me to find this, "cos it has a slightly alt country / shoegazer thing going on" I wouldn't be disappointed. It's really good.

Shoegazer is a particularly broad label, too. Take Ride for example, started out all churning and fuzzy, then went through a baggy psychaedelic phase, and ended up as a retro Mod band.

Life's a lot easier now we can all share YouTube links. Well, when the record companies allow it, of course.

More like bad Oasis impersonators. :lol:

Yeah, it's just a broad label. You just have to accept that some bands are labelled shoegaze, even if it's not that obvious to you. ^^


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15 Mar 2012, 4:09 pm

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More like bad Oasis impersonators. :lol:


That's a bit harsh. "Nowhere" had MBV / Jesus & Mary Chain overtones but a distinct lack of hooks. "Going Blank Again" was a work of genius* through being distorted, fuzzy, slightly baggy, slightly retro, psychaedelic and pop, all at the same time. "Carnival of Light" was the hippy retro album, and "Tarantula" the paranoid, messy comedown. And then Andy Bell joined Oasis!


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15 Mar 2012, 5:33 pm

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More like bad Oasis impersonators. :lol:


That's a bit harsh. "Nowhere" had MBV / Jesus & Mary Chain overtones but a distinct lack of hooks. "Going Blank Again" was a work of genius* through being distorted, fuzzy, slightly baggy, slightly retro, psychaedelic and pop, all at the same time. "Carnival of Light" was the hippy retro album, and "Tarantula" the paranoid, messy comedown. And then Andy Bell joined Oasis!


*this review is completely impartial, obviously

:lol:

I thought about my post and Hurricane #1 are the only thing Andy Bell has done that sounds similar to Oasis.

I guess I just had to make some of my frustration heard. :lol:



Now he's in Beady Eye. :evil:


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15 Mar 2012, 5:59 pm

Yeah, it's a bit sad, isn't it?

Hurricane#1, The Animalhouse, latter-day Oasis and Beady Eye have all been pretty naff.

I suspect the real stars of Ride were the rhythmn section :wink:

I want to get hold of the album of previously-unreleased Ride songs ("Firing Blanks" - love the title!) as that includes tracks from their most productive period. Also apparently Mark Gardener released a solo album fairly recently, though I've no idea if it's any good.


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15 Mar 2012, 6:08 pm

Oooh...I'll have to pick up a copy of Going Blank Again then...I've been reluctant to listen to any of their later stuff, out of fear that it wouldn't match the brilliance of Nowhere.

The dueted jangling guitars are what most people think of then you mention that album, but I love the drumming (and I'm a guitarist/bassist, not a drummer!). It has a really thunderous Keith Moon feel to it...the ending to Seagull is mindblowing!