Does anyone hate electronic music like I do?

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19 Dec 2011, 11:15 pm

The frequencies that fall within the nyquist range for 44.1khz sampling are the same, anywhere under 22Khz. There's nothing really subphonic either below 35Hz or above 15 or 17kHz to be enough to do anything 'weird' to people in either genre really. I could see where people could have, say, an issue with psychedellia where - like really blistering acid techno or psytrance - if it gets to multilayer and splintering it starts making them feel sick, that's really it.


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20 Dec 2011, 12:19 am

dr. john diamond, MD, in his book "your body doesn't lie," said that the anapestic beat or rhythm [antagonistic to the heartbeat of which it is opposite] so prevelant in today's music, is literally wearing us down. techno, rap, hiphop, hard rock [NOT rock AND roll], disco, new country, etc. all causes subtle human suffering via the anapestic beat.



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20 Dec 2011, 12:32 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The frequencies that fall within the nyquist range for 44.1khz sampling are the same, anywhere under 22Khz. There's nothing really subphonic either below 35Hz or above 15 or 17kHz to be enough to do anything 'weird' to people in either genre really. I could see where people could have, say, an issue with psychedellia where - like really blistering acid techno or psytrance - if it gets to multilayer and splintering it starts making them feel sick, that's really it.


Dubstep doesn't have scratchy hi hats. I can see how dnb would irritate. A lot of it irritates me.

auntblably: I can maybe buy that idea but your list is ridiculous. Techno, for example, is very specifically created to be in sync with your heartbeat - that's how it can build you up to euphoria.



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20 Dec 2011, 12:38 am

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auntblably: I can maybe buy that idea but your list is ridiculous. Techno, for example, is very specifically created to be in sync with your heartbeat - that's how it can build you up to euphoria.


i must not have the genes [or youth] for it, then, for it causes nausea in me unless listened to at a very low volume level for brief periods. it has the same effect on me as a pounding disco rhythm played over full-range loudspeakers or subwoofers. "De gustibus non est disputandum."



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20 Dec 2011, 6:10 am

It's something that I pretty much exclusively listen to now. There is so much to 'electronic' music now that it's hard to put it all under one blanket. I know a lot of people don't like catagorising into genres and sub-genres, but they do have unique sounds. I think most people relate electronic music to the rubbish they play on commercial stations. I love digging deep and finding new stuff, and even appreciating again what I used to listen to 10 years ago.


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20 Dec 2011, 8:52 am

Okay here's some dubstep I like:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l44E7moG7BQ[/youtube]
But here's a breakbeat offshoot I REALLY like:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgJZ5EsEgyU[/youtube]



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20 Dec 2011, 9:15 am

Some breezy & mellow:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeFM90l8KVw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVDqeLG5Odk[/youtube]


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20 Dec 2011, 9:52 am

Poor thread starter^^
You are all so cruel!^^


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20 Dec 2011, 9:58 am

awes wrote:
Poor thread starter^^
You are all so cruel!^^


Don't be silly, if I really wanted to be cruel, I would have told the OP to listen to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WxZNIpszs[/youtube]

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20 Dec 2011, 10:03 am

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awes wrote:
Poor thread starter^^
You are all so cruel!^^


Don't be silly, if I really wanted to be cruel, I would have told the OP to listen to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WxZNIpszs[/youtube]

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Sounds very ouch xD


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20 Dec 2011, 7:06 pm

I like it in the right time and place. I'm not going to go out and listen to electronica if I'm just cruising in my car or chilling at my house. If I'm out at a club or party then it's so much better then sh***y top 40 rap music. My only problem with dubstep is so much of it sounds the same, though it is amazing when under the influence of various substances.



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20 Dec 2011, 7:10 pm

See, interesting thing about me is I, like many Aspies, have very little interest in nightclubs and stuff, but I still think dubstep sounds awesome :P



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20 Dec 2011, 7:37 pm

I hear ya, I cannot stand most electronic music. It has to appeal to me. If it's dark, it has to sound good to me, but stuff like techno that they play at clubs for the mainstream people irritates the living s**t out of me. I can't stand being in a club that's playing that type of music. I don't like it and it makes me wanna cover my ears or get s**tfaced so I can tolerate it LOL Even dark type of electronic music can be annoying. I can tolerate loud music, but if it sounds like a whole bunch of noises just thrown together it makes me dizzy/irritated.



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20 Dec 2011, 10:52 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
What always confused me was how dubstep's blown up so big that almost everyone's heard of it, it came from dnb which has been around since the mid 90's, and it seems like so few people outside of London know anything at all about dnb. Its not to say I dislike dubstep, dubstep and dnb seem like part-in-parcel genres though and I never fully got why so many people hated one and love other over a difference of.... 30 bpm?

I guess its the same reason people didn't prefer Miles Davis.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTfBpKzu6XA[/youtube]

I guess most people don't get anything out of ferocious energy of fast syncopated beats. They just want a steady thump thump thump... Personally, I think dnb is much more interesting than dubstep.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:17 am

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What always confused me was how dubstep's blown up so big that almost everyone's heard of it, it came from dnb which has been around since the mid 90's, and it seems like so few people outside of London know anything at all about dnb. Its not to say I dislike dubstep, dubstep and dnb seem like part-in-parcel genres though and I never fully got why so many people hated one and love other over a difference of.... 30 bpm?

I guess its the same reason people didn't prefer Miles Davis.

Lol, Paradox (one of if not the lead don of 'drumfunk' for a long time) had a rant where he blasted jump up in that he was making really complex elaborate beats, spinning them, and his small side room would maybe be at half capacity to three quarters where someone sprung some wizzy, farty, sunshiny synthetic noises on the main stages and people were just about standing on top of each other for it whereas those same people would walk into to his room, effectively scratch their heads, pick their noses, shrug - possibly have some missing time even (then again, admittedly, I wouldn't have stayed too long; maybe 20 minutes, a lot of his stuff does come off as quite dry and academic).

Not to take his side too much even; I learned years ago that that kind of thing is really a sense of entitlement, its the kind of thing that makes a lot of people think that anyone who's into subculture is just an egotistical douche who thinks they're way too cool for everyone else or, alternatively, is simply making it all up as they go because they're trying way too hard to be cool. The flip side, from the standpoint of someone like Paradox, is really showing your soul, chasing the edges of what you can even fantasize, feeling like you've rendered it exactly as you saw it, and realizing that no one cares (and yes - it can come off as quite personal in an aggregate reaction sense). Suppose someone should have told him though that this just isn't how the world works and, if you live, breath, and eat the mysticism of creativity and sort of soul-spelunking; don't be surprised that fewer and fewer people can relate to you, that's just how it goes.

Even forgetting the so-called avante gard (a term that I've really come to associate not with 'ahead of its time' but really a 'it'll never have a time - just make it go out to pasture somewhere and die already'), jungle always had a lot of crowd friendly stuff; I think though one of the bigger problems might have been the conversion of what was very classy jump up in the mid to late 90's into the real whizzy clownstep stuff; there might be a few good tunes like that (some of Majistrate or Dub Zero's stuff comes to mind) it might have done a lot in terms of chasing the clubber kids off; its like it was electronic punk that would have sounded too much like happy hardcore for punks and too much like dnb for candy ravers. Then again, admittedly, I watched this unfold over here - not in London, so I guess a lot of my observations are more localized to the Midwest USA where, perhaps due to its unpopularity we actually had something special to call a scene for as long as the music worked (a scene that I'm sure did come back maybe five years ago - its just past my time now).


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21 Dec 2011, 8:28 am

Heh, since the thread has taken on a life of its own past the OP I might as well post this. The original Metalheadz: Platinum Breaks I, which I tend to think of as something like the bible of dnb or the first big release that gave it an organized thrust. This particular tune is Wax Doctors - The Spectrum; lots of very lush, chromed-out atmospheric stuff; really smooth jazz dnb but in a significantly different character to the way LTJ Bukem would handle it:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY9BRdm4tug[/youtube]


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