Do I listen to crap?

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I'm not a big fan of any of those bands but I'd hardly call them crap. Besides, "crappy taste" might as well be an oxymoron because taste is taste because everyone has different taste. So I might loath hip hop and rap but I know loads of people who love those genres.

I think all of this bands have potetntial, but for me they sound boring. For example when i first heard some katatonia song i was completely in love with it, but i when i downloaded some other songs i discovered they all sounds almost completely the same >_< I couldn't force myslef to like it; i was really disappointed. Same with most of other bands. But i can understand how one can listen to them. You have good taste in music...

I noticed some peeps don't call music good if it really is good, but if they like it <_< Maybe that's the thing... Even if i don't like some kidn of music i can tell if it has some worth :?
Yours are not great, big bands, but i hardly know any - and these are good enough. I don't see a problem.

Much of what Cade said made sense, even if it didn't directly apply to the thread-starter; there are many people out there who it does apply too.

I think another thing to consider about music is that ones enjoyment of it depends on how closely you listen to it and what you listen to it for. I mean some listen to a niche area of pop/rock to fit into a particular subculture, some listen to music in the background and some listen to it as an event in itself. Even the latter depends on how much you want to concentrate on it. People are so conditioned to be fed culture in short easy mouthfuls that listening to one, basic sub-genre of pop is the easiest way to get their fill of music.

For example, I tend to only really listen to rock/pop/metal (I call anything that isn't art music, pop music) when I am doing something else like driving for instance, as I just don't generally find it as interesting to devote my entire concentration to without doing something else. Or sometimes, I listen to high energy metal music more for the rush and energy of it then the actual melodic, rythmic and harmonic (e.g. musical) aspects. Whereas if I am sitting down to just listen to music and do nothing else then I generally prefer to listen to stuff that has a wider range of sonorities, harmony, melody and rythm than most pop music.

Nothing she said made sense..., unless it's taken as a subjective opinion and it’s never applied to anyone else but her and likeminded humans. I can read a single piece of fiction repetitively, religiously and rarely, and only this piece of fiction; I’ll have an “appreciation” for literature as someone who has read everything written, with every breath taken and every thought unspoken.

You cannot objectify this because art appeals to each person differently and subjectively.

ok what cade said was irrelevant to the thread because i dont think the bands that sopho listed show that shes not listening to every LP EP and demo that comes out into the metal circuit and i would agree doing so would be kinda pointless ......... but what i think is happening whit allot of metal bands is there going for the most brutal, technical, speed, atmosphere or rawness but i think there is still legitimate experimentation .... but im not really that underground so im guessing a bit

i would really like to see the "criteria" for pop and metal songs and where they fit in the writer /listener scale

Whether its on the thread topic or not, I don't agree with Cade's view and find their post unintentionally ironic. They talk about the metal genre's (and fan's) arrogance and intolerance - while their own post is full of both.

If you see metal as an extremely limited subgenre of rock, in my opinion you aren't digging deep enough into the full range of it. I've found it to be incredibly diverse - and I come from a background of listening to many other genres over the years which have no relation to metal. Not by a long shot is all of it even based on rock song structure. Listen to some Sunn O))) and tell me that its based on anything resembling popular music. And some bands use a classical kind of structure. Some are pure drone. Some are based entirely around traditional folk melodies. Some are completely fractured insanity (especially in the technical death metal area). Some combine a substantial ratio of elements from other genres (like Agalloch's post-rock and neo-folk elements, Jesu's shoe-gazing, Summoning's strong martial/medieval bent)... the list could go on. I guess if you stopped listening to metal in 1995 you might not have the full picture. There may have been a time when a lot of metal was closely tied to its traditions and conventions but I don't think that's true anymore.

And every genre has its own conventions - I don't see metal as more limited in that sense than any other genre. Of course there are stylistic and instrumental choices that recur within a particular scene / genre. Classical, Jazz, Gothic, Electronic, IDM, Industrial, Folk, Psychedelia, Punk, Emo, World Music, Blues, whatever you name it they all have this. The only music that can avoid that is something completely experimental / unclassifiable.

good point

Oh and by the way Cult of Luna is a great band.

yah they're quiet good, I have a problem with the vocals though, same with neurosis, isis, rosetta ect

machina i think you may have missed the point of noise if you feel the need to inform them there not playing music in the normal sense of the word ...... your post has allot of contradictions if some music isnt more artistically interesting then why are you suggesting he listen to Avant Garde Metal?

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basically opinion is based on what you listen for i know people who just listen to vocal melody or structure or lyrics but usually people listen to a range of things ..... once you get right into it there are a load of elements in any song different people find different elements interesting .... and frequently we listen for different things