12 Sep 2017, 7:17 pm
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12 Sep 2017, 7:32 pm
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12 Sep 2017, 7:52 pm
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
If metal and rock music is so terrible, I wonder why it has such a huge following?
It's all based on individual taste.
Not everyone likes a Picasso either.
Rubbishing someone else's individual taste is never going to go down well.
It's all based on individual taste.
Not everyone likes a Picasso either.
Rubbishing someone else's individual taste is never going to go down well.
My main point was about the vocals, and then it turned into a Country Music bashing thread. So I hit back.
You started out bashing rock and metal music by saying none of the vocalists can sing....you really thought that was a good way to get people to be open minded about what you listen to?
12 Sep 2017, 9:32 pm
12 Sep 2017, 9:40 pm
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I hate pop and country, the vocals are just so generic and headache inducing, most country sounds like they are singing out of their nose. Also the lyrics are pretty unappealing, and boring. Also a lot of pop artists don't even write their own material.
I mostly like metal and rock, and there are actually quite a few good vocalists who can certainly sing. Also metal and rock bands don't turn up their instruments to cover up vocal mistakes, the idea is the music and vocals compliment each other. A band that just played louder to cover crappy vocals wouldn't be a very good rock or metal band.
I mostly like metal and rock, and there are actually quite a few good vocalists who can certainly sing. Also metal and rock bands don't turn up their instruments to cover up vocal mistakes, the idea is the music and vocals compliment each other. A band that just played louder to cover crappy vocals wouldn't be a very good rock or metal band.
Well, at least Country singers can sing. The metal "singers" just scream and the lyrics are horrid. Also, there are many styles of Country music, and no they don't sing through the nose. That is just the way the fake singers are. Pop music is catchy and fun. Country Music has meaning. Metal is just noise, really.
Ok well you are 100% ignorant about metal....100%. There certainly are types of metal with harsh vocals, but even then its not typically 'screamed' that would ruin vocal chords...there is actually skill involved in making the harsh vocals correctly, you don't have to like it but its actually not just screaming. But that said not all metal even has harsh vocals, there is a lot of bands with clean vocals. Also a lot of metal musicians are classically trained, like in playing classical music, if metal was so trashy why would classically trained Scandinavian musicians want to play it?
Sure maybe not all country is equally terrible, Johhny Cash was good....of course he's not around anymore. As for pop music maybe some people find it catchy and fun, but I rarely find it to be, there might be a pop song here or there that I like ok but for the most part No. I much prefer the energy and passion of metal...which is certainly by no means just noise.
Many times in Metal, though, the lyrics end up being incoherent. Regardless if its a skill to screech that way, I just don't find it appealing. I guess I did open a can of worms when I said in my OP as for Rock n rollers. I guess I mean, that they can hide behind all the electric guitars and loud bass line and drums. If you listen to people like Frank Sinatara or many of the older singers in any genre really, their voices are out in front and they use their voice as an instrument. I don't like modern singers such as Adele. She just caterwalls. I'd rather listen to Metal/Rock than she.
Incoherent? Screeching? Really?I can hear every word in this song clearly and the vocals don't resemble anything like you are alluding to. Metal vocalists quite often use their voices instrumentally, they aren't just there for the sake of it. Just because they don't do it the way you wish they did doesn't mean they aren't.
12 Sep 2017, 9:45 pm
12 Sep 2017, 9:52 pm
12 Sep 2017, 9:54 pm
Marknis wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I hate pop and country, the vocals are just so generic and headache inducing, most country sounds like they are singing out of their nose. Also the lyrics are pretty unappealing, and boring. Also a lot of pop artists don't even write their own material.
I mostly like metal and rock, and there are actually quite a few good vocalists who can certainly sing. Also metal and rock bands don't turn up their instruments to cover up vocal mistakes, the idea is the music and vocals compliment each other. A band that just played louder to cover crappy vocals wouldn't be a very good rock or metal band.
I mostly like metal and rock, and there are actually quite a few good vocalists who can certainly sing. Also metal and rock bands don't turn up their instruments to cover up vocal mistakes, the idea is the music and vocals compliment each other. A band that just played louder to cover crappy vocals wouldn't be a very good rock or metal band.
Well, at least Country singers can sing. The metal "singers" just scream and the lyrics are horrid. Also, there are many styles of Country music, and no they don't sing through the nose. That is just the way the fake singers are. Pop music is catchy and fun. Country Music has meaning. Metal is just noise, really.
Ok well you are 100% ignorant about metal....100%. There certainly are types of metal with harsh vocals, but even then its not typically 'screamed' that would ruin vocal chords...there is actually skill involved in making the harsh vocals correctly, you don't have to like it but its actually not just screaming. But that said not all metal even has harsh vocals, there is a lot of bands with clean vocals. Also a lot of metal musicians are classically trained, like in playing classical music, if metal was so trashy why would classically trained Scandinavian musicians want to play it?
Sure maybe not all country is equally terrible, Johhny Cash was good....of course he's not around anymore. As for pop music maybe some people find it catchy and fun, but I rarely find it to be, there might be a pop song here or there that I like ok but for the most part No. I much prefer the energy and passion of metal...which is certainly by no means just noise.
Many times in Metal, though, the lyrics end up being incoherent. Regardless if its a skill to screech that way, I just don't find it appealing. I guess I did open a can of worms when I said in my OP as for Rock n rollers. I guess I mean, that they can hide behind all the electric guitars and loud bass line and drums. If you listen to people like Frank Sinatara or many of the older singers in any genre really, their voices are out in front and they use their voice as an instrument. I don't like modern singers such as Adele. She just caterwalls. I'd rather listen to Metal/Rock than she.
Incoherent? Screeching? Really?I can hear every word in this song clearly and the vocals don't resemble anything like you are alluding to. Metal vocalists quite often use their voices instrumentally, they aren't just there for the sake of it. Just because they don't do it the way you wish they did doesn't mean they aren't.
Okay.
12 Sep 2017, 9:54 pm
hurtloam wrote:
All genres have examples of thoughtful lyrics and good singing and of course they all have a bit of rubbish too.
I like Iron Maiden because of the lyrics. They write little tales about history and fokelore. One of my favourites is about the dropping of the first nuclear bomb an important tale to tell and not to be forgotten. I also like the vocals, the drums and the guitar. And my goodness Bruce Dickinson can sing. Listen to him hit those notes.
I like Iron Maiden because of the lyrics. They write little tales about history and fokelore. One of my favourites is about the dropping of the first nuclear bomb an important tale to tell and not to be forgotten. I also like the vocals, the drums and the guitar. And my goodness Bruce Dickinson can sing. Listen to him hit those notes.
Good taste, hurtloam!
Metal bands quite often sing about real issues. Pop country is pretty much "Going down to the river with my baby in a pick up truck! We gon' catch some fish an' fry 'em up! Then we're gonna load our rifles and shoota' lots of deer, kick back in the sun and drink lotsa' beer! Oh Good Lord! I sure do love my Ford! Got dang, this is America!" that takes hardly any creativity to come up with. I did it without even trying.
12 Sep 2017, 9:57 pm
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13 Sep 2017, 1:18 am
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13 Sep 2017, 1:49 am
13 Sep 2017, 9:03 am
13 Sep 2017, 9:13 am
Yes I like lyrics and voice most often too. I still very much enjoy late 80s early 90s music because there is a clarity there that seems to have been lost in modern music.
I'll have a think of some examples of what I mean and post them later.
I do enjoy music with interesting bass as well and can forgo the need for a beautiful voice if I find the music enjoyable like Muse for example, although Matt Bellamy does sing quite clearly.
I really like Mark Knopfler but he really can't sing for toffee. He does a bit of country style as well. Have you heard of him Rvacountrysinger? He's from the North of England like me 
13 Sep 2017, 12:59 pm
hurtloam wrote:
Yes I like lyrics and voice most often too. I still very much enjoy late 80s early 90s music because there is a clarity there that seems to have been lost in modern music.
I'll have a think of some examples of what I mean and post them later.
I do enjoy music with interesting bass as well and can forgo the need for a beautiful voice if I find the music enjoyable like Muse for example, although Matt Bellamy does sing quite clearly.
I really like Mark Knopfler but he really can't sing for toffee. He does a bit of country style as well. Have you heard of him Rvacountrysinger? He's from the North of England like me
I'll have a think of some examples of what I mean and post them later.
I do enjoy music with interesting bass as well and can forgo the need for a beautiful voice if I find the music enjoyable like Muse for example, although Matt Bellamy does sing quite clearly.
I really like Mark Knopfler but he really can't sing for toffee. He does a bit of country style as well. Have you heard of him Rvacountrysinger? He's from the North of England like me
Was he in Dire Straits? I wouldn't say he couldn't sing worth toffy. He has a unique voice and its pleasant sounding. I guess good singing can be subjective. For example, I don't like Adele's singing. Most people think she is amazing. I don't like female vocals, in general, though. Too high pitched for my tastes.
13 Sep 2017, 1:03 pm
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