marshall wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
What always confused me was how dubstep's blown up so big that almost everyone's heard of it, it came from dnb which has been around since the mid 90's, and it seems like so few people outside of London know anything at all about dnb. Its not to say I dislike dubstep, dubstep and dnb seem like part-in-parcel genres though and I never fully got why so many people hated one and love other over a difference of.... 30 bpm?
I guess its the same reason people didn't prefer Miles Davis.
Lol, Paradox (one of if not the lead don of 'drumfunk' for a long time) had a rant where he blasted jump up in that he was making really complex elaborate beats, spinning them, and his small side room would maybe be at half capacity to three quarters where someone sprung some wizzy, farty, sunshiny synthetic noises on the main stages and people were just about standing on top of each other for it whereas those same people would walk into to his room, effectively scratch their heads, pick their noses, shrug - possibly have some missing time even (then again, admittedly, I wouldn't have stayed too long; maybe 20 minutes, a lot of his stuff does come off as quite dry and academic).
Not to take his side too much even; I learned years ago that that kind of thing is really a sense of entitlement, its the kind of thing that makes a lot of people think that anyone who's into subculture is just an egotistical douche who thinks they're way too cool for everyone else or, alternatively, is simply making it all up as they go because they're trying way too hard to be cool. The flip side, from the standpoint of someone like Paradox, is really showing your soul, chasing the edges of what you can even fantasize, feeling like you've rendered it exactly as you saw it, and realizing that no one cares (and yes - it can come off as quite personal in an aggregate reaction sense). Suppose someone should have told him though that this just isn't how the world works and, if you live, breath, and eat the mysticism of creativity and sort of soul-spelunking; don't be surprised that fewer and fewer people can relate to you, that's just how it goes.
Even forgetting the so-called avante gard (a term that I've really come to associate not with 'ahead of its time' but really a 'it'll never have a time - just make it go out to pasture somewhere and die already'), jungle always had a lot of crowd friendly stuff; I think though one of the bigger problems might have been the conversion of what was very classy jump up in the mid to late 90's into the real whizzy clownstep stuff; there might be a few good tunes like that (some of Majistrate or Dub Zero's stuff comes to mind) it might have done a lot in terms of chasing the clubber kids off; its like it was electronic punk that would have sounded too much like happy hardcore for punks and too much like dnb for candy ravers. Then again, admittedly, I watched this unfold over here - not in London, so I guess a lot of my observations are more localized to the Midwest USA where, perhaps due to its unpopularity we actually had something special to call a scene for as long as the music worked (a scene that I'm sure did come back maybe five years ago - its just past my time now).
Yea. I realize it's all a spectrum and there's stuff way "out there" that I don't get so much either. You can't make people have the same taste as you no matter how saddening it might be. I'd say if someone makes some really crazy, bordering on unlistenable avant garde, soul-spelunking as you call it, it's better to have a small audience that really gets what you're doing than a larger audience of pretentious douches who merely pretend to like what you do in order to impress their friends.
You can be at peace with the fact that a lot of people are going to prefer one thing over another because it's slow enough to dance to. The nice thing about the internet is you can usually find people with similar tastes to impress, even if it would be too much effort to chase after it in real life. I imagine it's harder if your an actual musician though.