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20 Feb 2019, 8:57 pm

What about people like Nietzsche, Kant, and John Stuart Mill? They are all frequently taught to "20-year-old social science students." All are nothing to sneeze at....



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20 Feb 2019, 8:58 pm

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What about people like Nietzsche, Kant, and John Stuart Mill? They are all frequently taught to "20-year-old social science students." All are nothing to sneeze at....





Of course, I was exaggerating.


For Jagwa:

Here is one of the televised debates between Mr Chomsky and M. Foucault. Foucault speaks in French, but I think there are subtitles:



If you want to practice your French, it's particularly good for this purpose; Foucault speaks very slowly and deliberately.



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20 Feb 2019, 8:58 pm

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my favorite of all time Victor Hugo's Les Misérables.


Omg yessss


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20 Feb 2019, 9:03 pm

I was going to say the same. Also Plato, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, Heidegger, Hume and Pythagoras.
I took a very interesting course in the Philosophy of Math.

It's increasingly common for young students to take an active interest in Social Sciences and Philosophy.

Edit: Sorry I just saw that you replied to your comment already.


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20 Feb 2019, 9:05 pm

Marx was a great thinker----but he had little regard for individual humans, it seemed to me.



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20 Feb 2019, 9:06 pm

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Defect? That is silly. I think ppl don’t get geniuses they try to put the genius down rather than admitting they just don’t understand

They try to retrospectively say Dickens had bipolar which, if he did, I don’t consider a defect .

just a challenge n yet another reason to admire him fr being successful despite the pain of dealing with that esp thw ‘lows’ of bipolar God that just makes a person more admirable

just like with the Bronte sisters if any of them had autism, depression, whatever, it was a challenge that countless others wd have had.

Anyway ‘normal’ ppl often have the misfortune of lacking spirit, imagination , or insight that great writers n artists got

I like watching adaptations to admire their hair n clothes n things. I liked Catherine’s long blonde frizzy hair in one adaptation the actress looked like a fairy!

I like when ppl make up actors n actresses they wd cast in a film version of their fave fictional books


I picture Lily Cole in WH, either as Catherine or Isabella. Heathcliff is portrayed as dark, possibly black, in the novel but this has only been cast once in a Hollywood film, to the best of my understanding.


WE should have a new thread where ppl share their ideal cast fr different books they like!

Oh btw the les miserables movie adaptation from 1978 was great. They left in all the most relevant things n the acting was great esp by the main character. I think i had quite a crush on him. N i was 10 or 9 then when i saw it. My dad used to maks us to watch classic things n read classic novels n forbade most TV except fr TVO kids.

n thats part of the reason i had no friends as I had nothing to connect with them on n the shows I WAs allowed to watch were considered babyish (Arthur, Etc) they wd watch r rated things even.

ANyway that actor’s name is Richard Jordan and he was so handsome n played the character with excellence. When he was refined (after escaping) n in civil society I kept thinking :heart:


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20 Feb 2019, 9:10 pm

I wonder what theatre n Shakespearean type actors n actresses wd consider their fave books?


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20 Feb 2019, 9:20 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
What about people like Nietzsche, Kant, and John Stuart Mill? They are all frequently taught to "20-year-old social science students." All are nothing to sneeze at....


It’s easy to feel awe at others’ knowledge n reading, when u have no education bsides high school n 1 term in college and 1 yr at a nutrition thing (not intellectual), and a few courses here n there over the years


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20 Feb 2019, 9:26 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
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What about people like Nietzsche, Kant, and John Stuart Mill? They are all frequently taught to "20-year-old social science students." All are nothing to sneeze at....


It’s easy to feel awe at others’ knowledge n reading, when u have no education bsides high school n 1 term in college and 1 yr at a nutrition thing (not intellectual), and a few courses here n there over the years


You're very well-read, blooie, and you appreciate intellectual thought. That's all that matters in this discussion!


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20 Feb 2019, 9:53 pm

I'm not extremely well-read at all.

I do try to get the most out of what I HAVE read, though.



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24 Feb 2019, 1:44 am

Imma make a booklist for this year.. ughh


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25 Feb 2019, 3:04 am

self help books was all i read last year lmao one after another


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25 Feb 2019, 3:19 am

Call me Ishmael. Some years ago – never mind how long precisely – having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen, and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off – then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.


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25 Feb 2019, 3:51 am

Moby Dick was torture. I'll never be rereading it.



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25 Feb 2019, 11:02 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Middlemarch - George Eliot
Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy
To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee
Mrs. Dalloway - Virginia Woolf
Jane Eyre - Charlotte Brontë (classic Bildungsroman, although Villette is a far greater novel)
Wuthering Heights - Emily Brontë
Rob Roy - Sir Walter Scott
Moll Flanders - Daniel Defoe
The Idiot - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Anna Karenina - Leo Tolstoy
A Vindication of the Rights of Women - Mary Wollstonecraft
Great Expectations - Charles Dickens
The Diviners - Margaret Laurence
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - James Joyce
The Picture of Dorian Gray - Oscar Wilde

No particular order *



Ooh you mentioned the Idiot (who was not an idiot at all)! ! I am convinced that Prince Mishkin had Autism!
Also in Great Expectations Pip’s sister might have had ASd mixed with bipolar or borderline personality (I thought). That’s why Joe, understanding it was beyond her control, getting angry n overwhelmed by her burdens etc, wAs so forgiving

Actually in David Copperfield the man that David’s aunt looks after, Mr Dick, had ASD too in my opinion


Interesting, I had the same impression of Mishkin when I read The Idiot--his innocence, his naiveté, his excessive empathy, his lack of understanding of social cues. And isn't there a common comorbidity issue between autism and seizure disorders?

I think with Mr Dick it was more likely to be something like schizophrenia, because although his fascination with the historical character (can't remember who it was he was obsessed with) could have been an autistic feature he also seemed delusional about it in some ways that are outside the scope of autism. I think David's aunt herself was more likely to be autistic with her blunt honest manner and her fixation (and vexation!) with donkeys treading in her garden.



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25 Feb 2019, 11:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Myshkin is one of my favorite characters.

He reminds me so much of myself....

I've read quite a bit of Dostoyevsky. He was quite the realist, with maybe a little Victorian sentimentality at times (which enhances his work).


Dostoyevsky was a great admirer of Charles Dickens' writing, so that may be the source of the "Victorian sentimentality" you detect in his work (which I would agree with, it at times has that flavour.) I think he even borrowed Dickens' fondness of the unlikely coincidence in stories like The Brothers Karamazov--Katerina asks Dmitry to wire 3000 roubles to her sister in another city, and Dmitry's father Fyodor decides to make a gift of exactly 3000 roubles to Grushenka at the same time, independently of each other, which leads to great misfortune for Dmitry. If either of them had chosen a different amount of money, things would have gone very differently for Mitya.