do you like heavy metal music?

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Death metal is quite a cluster**ck of things throw together, classical, rock, thrash, jazz elements, traditional music from various regions, it's interesting to trace it back.

Death*core* is hardcore influenced death metal. Death metal on it's own took from thrash, differences in style.

I know death metal is not the only metal. My tastes are fairly varied both inside and outside of metal. However, when it comes to growls grunts and screams death metal tends to be my go to example. I *think* I've heard of Novembers Doom, I'll check them out tomorrow.

"...why would there be another genre with death in it?" Uh, because it's based off of death metal? That's akin to saying "why do all these metal genres have metal tagged on to the end?!? It makes no sense!"

Metal is not the only good genre, but it is by far my favourite.

I fail to see how deathcore is based of death metal, rather than hardcore...why the hell is it called death'core' if it's got nothing to do with that....but either way I'll probably read up on it, either way I think regardless of any death metal influence deathcore has its still another genre outside of metal but still influenced by death metal. I'm just stuck on the order...like what came first, and what influenced what.

Also it wouldn't be like saying that because those are sub-genres of metal, so of course they end with metal......same happens with other genres. I figured it was simular with things like deathcore and metalcore, that they where branches of hardcore, as that would make since considering they are metalcore and deathcore, rather than like heavy metal and death metal.

lol and most people don't even care what genres are called or what fits where.

Metal fused with electronica would be my favorite style in the world, the only problem is: 99% of it is crap to me.

Here are a couple of good examples (mainly VG soundtracks) though:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVFe16HHuQ[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXT2IO367k[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d7DkmCA50M[/youtube]

Why don't they make music like this anymore?

What concerns real metal, Sepultura is an example of what I like:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvWQwOdYe8[/youtube]

Old-school death metal is vastly superior to deathcore though, pig squeals hold no valour in the metal world....

Absolutely this. Deathcore is metal, regardless of whether you care for that style or not. I mostly don't since it tends to just irritate me, with a few exceptions, though I don't jump on the bandwagon like so many do and say it isn't metal just because I don't like it, all in the name being 'true,' 'kvlt,' or whatever other immature b.s. that makes them feel better about themselves and makes them look cooler to fellow back-patting elitists. (i.e. on the Metal Archives, many deathcore bands they outright refuse to list in the directory) And yes, the majority of deathcore bands I've heard are at least 3/4ths death metal, with the hardcore influence being in mostly the slower riffing sections where they use more simple chord progressions, and the breakdowns. Some bands also use faster riffing that straddles the line between thrash and hardcore, somewhat like thrash at half speed (think early Meshuggah, before they got into their 'math metal'). The rest is death metal like any other, and would not at all be out of place on, say, a Suffocation or Vader cd.

I'd happily listen to any other form of death metal than deathcore, though, especially old school, brutal, and technical.

@Uprising: you might like Sybreed. Metal Archives describes them as: "Their musical style can be described as a mix of various components and influences (including death metal, black metal and progressive metal) that incorporates melodies and groove-based rhythms synthesised with strong electro-industrial elements, which are in turn influenced by european dark wave and synthrock music.
The band also utilizes complex time signatures, polyrhythmic composition, blast beats, sampling and keyboard effects."

Deathcore=mash up of death metal and hardcore to create a new term. Do you know much about hardcore by the way? This is hardcore. There are very, very few similarities between deathcore and this. I think the core term just stuck on because of early metalcore, which was much more similar to hardcore (stuff like Earth Crisis). As far as the order goes, it goes something like this if I recall correctly:

Punk
Hardcore
Thrash
Death metal (probably not what you'd recognise as death metal, it was quite different in the beginning)
Early metalcore (sometimes called melodic hardcore)
Modern metalcore (ala All That Remains and Parkway Drive)
Deathcore

Grindcore is in there somewhere with Napalm Death, but I'm not the biggest grind fan so I honestly don't know when. A lot of grindcore is also very similar to death metal, to the point that a lot of bands are often called both (like Napalm Death).

And like I said earlier, the reason I get so touchy about it is because it's incredibly disrespectful to say it isn't metal.

I tend to agree...hence why I don't really like deathcore at all.

Well I guess I don't see why that is disrespectful, half those bands don't even call themselves metal in the first place. I mean why is it bad for them to be called deathcore and metalcore but good for them to be called metal?

I was into Iron Maiden and Dio until I was about 11, after that I couldn't connect with the lyrics.

I'll be the first to say new metal is way better than old metal. The vocals are less shrieky and the lyrics are less about violence and have more range of heaviness and lyrical themes. The inclusion of singing as well as heavy vocals makes it way harder to do than most genres.

I don't think new or old metal is 'better' I've heard lots of good oldschool metal and I've heard lots of newer metal, I have heard good and bad in both so I think it all depends on the specific metal band, and ones personal taste in metal music. Rather then new automatically being better and old automatically being worse.

Which bands don't call themselves metal? Back in the very early days of metalcore they just called themselves metalcore, as it evolved it formed in to a subgenre of extreme metal.

It's not bad to call them deathcore and metalcore, it's bad to say they aren't metal. The three core genres are subgenres of metal. Grindcore (which breaks down further in goregrind, pornogrind, deathgrind, and a million other things), deathcore, metalcore.

I say it comes down to the particular metalcore band, some swing way too far into the hardcore side to be considered as metal. Calling Suicide Silence a death metal band would be insulting.

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Well according to most metalheads I've talked to and what I've read, metalcore never became a sub-genre of extreme metal....its seen as metalcore, not metal the only people who seem to promote the idea of it being a sub-genre of metal rather than a sub-genre created from a mix of metal influence and hardcore influence would be the mainstream media......who don't count.

But which of these bands calls themselves metal?...how are the core genres sub-genres of metal and not hardcore?

I mean just take deathcore for example.....it would not make sense for that to be a sub-genre of metal when we already have death metal, it makes more sense it would be called that due to being death metal influenced hardcore. I mean that would be like creating a genre called thrashcore and calling it metal when we already have thrash metal so it would make sense that a genre with thrash but core rather than metal would be more of a sub-genre of hardcore than metal.

Or is core not short for hardcore? if so what is it short for?

Suicide Silence are deathcore, all the way

They certainly are...but back to the point death metal is already filling the death metal spot and cannot be replaced with deathcore, there is a slot open within the umbrella term hardcore though.