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05 Apr 2016, 12:09 am

the "loudness wars" are very bad for music IMHO in that they obscure whatever musical values the musicians did their best to imbue into their recordings. IMHO brick wall limiting is the opposite of euphonic. the current trend of listening to music in single-point monophonic is also an unfavorable trend in the sound reproduction arts.



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05 Apr 2016, 1:17 am

auntblabby wrote:
the "loudness wars" are very bad for music IMHO in that they obscure whatever musical values the musicians did their best to imbue into their recordings. IMHO brick wall limiting is the opposite of euphonic. the current trend of listening to music in single-point monophonic is also an unfavorable trend in the sound reproduction arts.


QFT.

Most of the recording is ruined. Heavy (unintended) distortion (not for artistic purposes, but a side-effect of producing the music so loud), lack of dynamic range (difference between the loudest and softest parts of a song), etc.

Most natural sounds and instruments are heavily damaged in sound by it.

Some use brickwalling and loud mastering for artistic purposes, but again, that's not going to appeal to me as I prefer dynamic range.

Electronic has been the worst effected, but rock and pop and metal albums have followed in recent years.

I try to create my stuff with good dynamics and make sure it's not over-compressed or too loud.

For comparison:

Dynamic range of most of today's music: 4-8.

Electronic music, pre-2000's: 8-18.

A recent song I completed: 16.

Non-electronic music, pre-2000: 12-25.

Another problem is, modern 're-mastering's' of older stuff are also killing the DR.

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list? ... %20jackson

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list? ... ber&album=

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list? ... een&album=



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05 Apr 2016, 1:31 am

they even do that dirt to ELVIS- sacre bleu! 8O



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05 Apr 2016, 11:57 am

This is one of the best things I've listened to in a long time. Most people would not enjoy it, but I find it quite compelling.


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I am saying my opinion is that an artist should have the decision whether they want a track messy and muddy. The music climate shouldn't decide how well produced music is. Look at Harsh Noise Wall. If it was up to people who don't like Lo-fi music HNW wouldn't exist.

I absolutely agree. While I don't like it when classic recordings get butchered by modern remastering, lo-fi grit and overblown distortion can sound pretty cool when they're intentionally put to use.


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05 Apr 2016, 3:00 pm

I much prefer "unplugged" music. only the organ can be plugged in. gotta have an organ. :dj:



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05 Apr 2016, 4:33 pm

I love all music, no matter what the sound quality is. Some of the best music has poor quality production.


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06 Apr 2016, 2:29 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I much prefer "unplugged" music. only the organ can be plugged in. gotta have an organ. :dj:

I still wonder how Kurt Cobain got away with using an amp for his guitar on Nirvana's cover of "The Man Who Sold the World", off their album "MTV Unplugged in New York". I love that album, but he kinda cheated there. xD Then again, his guitar did have a pretty nice tone on that track.


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06 Apr 2016, 3:09 pm

^^^gotta go with the right tone quality, it can make the difference between "lightning" and "lightning bug." another unpopular musical opinion is that I consider buddy rich to be an overrated drummer, he was basically one note johnny in terms of intensity, like his power knob was always set to 11. many folks like that, and get quite defensive when somebody else prefers something with more subtlety.



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07 Apr 2016, 9:58 pm

Andy Biersack and Black Veil Brides annoy me music wise and no, I don't consider them to be metal. When I think of metal, I think Pantera, not Black Veil Brides.


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07 Apr 2016, 10:27 pm

Slayer are overrated. Haven't written a halfway decent album since Reign in Blood.



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07 Apr 2016, 10:52 pm

all things considered, it needs more cowbell. :dj:



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08 Apr 2016, 2:25 am

auntblabby wrote:
all things considered, it needs more cowbell. :dj:


Do you mean Deadmau5's song "I remember" or something else? It's a common joke fans make on that song as it does start off with a cowbell.



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08 Apr 2016, 3:02 am

Outrider wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
all things considered, it needs more cowbell. :dj:


Do you mean Deadmau5's song "I remember" or something else? It's a common joke fans make on that song as it does start off with a cowbell.

i'll have to admit that I don't keep up with today's music. i'm still listening to jazz and show tunes. :dj:



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08 Apr 2016, 10:12 am

Outrider wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
all things considered, it needs more cowbell. :dj:


Do you mean Deadmau5's song "I remember" or something else? It's a common joke fans make on that song as it does start off with a cowbell.



Something else it's from a snl skit.


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08 Apr 2016, 10:42 am

Unpopular music-related opinions? You want 'em, I got 'em! :D


Iggy Pop's remix of "Raw Power" - over-compressed and digitally distorted as it is - still beats David Bowie's neutered-sounding original. What we need is a re-master of the 1997 mix that doesn't clip all the way through, rather than a deluxe re-master of the Bowie mix.

The White Stripes were backward-thinking Luddite sludge, and so are the Black Keys. And Oasis, for that matter.

I grew up in the vinyl era, but CDs still sound better than records. They also have the added advantage of durability, with none of the annoying groove distortion or surface noise that vinyl develops with frequent play.

"Their Satanic Majesties' Request" is a better album than "Sgt Pepper".

Marvin Gaye's divorce album, "Hear My Dear" is a greater achievement than the more critically lauded "What's Going On".

"Kid A" is the only Radiohead album worth owning. They'd be a better band if they ditched the vocals altogether.

Fleetwood Mac's platinum-selling late 70s albums are more interesting than the early ones they made with Peter Green (great instrumentalist though he undoubtedly was).

Argue away, if you can be bothered. If not, I hope I've at least given you some food for thought...



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08 Apr 2016, 11:11 am

EnmaLionheart wrote:
Andy Biersack and Black Veil Brides annoy me music wise and no, I don't consider them to be metal. When I think of metal, I think Pantera, not Black Veil Brides.

I wouldn't consider this an unpopular opinion. BVB are metalcore, Pantera is METAL! \m/ \m/



BVB will never be metal either, because "you can't be something you're not."


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