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Which is the better opening line?
The world would end on a dark and stormy night in less than one year, but now the late August sun showered the campus with fraudulent hope. 50%  50%  [ 7 ]
He was the most innocent of youths and perversion followed in his wake. 50%  50%  [ 7 ]
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27 Feb 2010, 2:24 am

A few years back, I essentially wrote a novel in a text-based RP forum. My primary coauthor deleted the forum in a fit of being a teenager. I had, on my computer, a few reference documents ("Threads by Date," which showed the characters, locations, and titles) and a few excerpts. In addition, I had a copy of the last chapter, considered by all who have read it to be stunning; most of them cried despite themselves when reading it.

Due to the number of hours I invested, my attachment to the work, and the powerful nature of both story and finale, I have long talked of a rewrite. However, as I did not originally know this was to be a novel, there is, technically, no beginning. After much research online as to what sort of elements were required for a proper opening sentence, and several hours of trying, I managed only two that I cared for.

My former coauthor strongly preferred one; my roommate the other. Both are people who know me well and whom I respect, among the only I'd bother to ask or who would bother to answer. However, my coauthor commented "but perhaps that's because I know the story." My roommate, ironically, said, "but I don't know all of the story."

So, since none of you know . . . which is better?



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27 Feb 2010, 3:06 am

I can understand the pain of trying to figure out the best opening line.

The reason I chose #2 is because 1) it's impact is AWESOME and 2) It's short, sweet and to the point.

However, if I was to make another vote tomorrow morning, I might choose #1 because I'm more of a literary mood then. More verbose in nature.

That probably doesn't help you much, does it? heh



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27 Feb 2010, 3:41 am

I much prefer the first one over the second. I like the foreshadowing; being told straight away that this story is not going to end well and you're about to find out why.

The second line has kind of the same foreshadowing but it's just not as intriguing to me as the world ending.

Knowing nothing about the story except those lines, I'd read the first book but not the second. But I am a reader and not a writer, so I really don't know.


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27 Feb 2010, 3:50 am

SamwiseGamgee wrote:
I much prefer the first one over the second. I like the foreshadowing; being told straight away that this story is not going to end well and you're about to find out why.

The second line has kind of the same foreshadowing but it's just not as intriguing to me as the world ending.

Knowing nothing about the story except those lines, I'd read the first book but not the second. But I am a reader and not a writer, so I really don't know.


Well, then.. you might know better than I because I am a reader as well as a writer but I looked at it from a writer's perspective and not a readers so... you might have something there.



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27 Feb 2010, 4:06 am

To be honest, they're both good. I can't decide which would be better.


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27 Feb 2010, 7:06 am

It probably depends upon the nature of the story. Someone interested in SF, and plot would probably prefer #1. If it is about character development #2 probably works better.



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27 Feb 2010, 7:45 am

My vote is for Number 2 because Number 1 uses to many words and essentially repeats itself. The second one is a straighter juxtaposition.

I don't know if anyone watched The Late Late Show, but Stephen Fry heralded the brilliance of Twitter and how many kind through the ages has resorted to short sharp literature due to natural restrictions i.e. linotype, telegraph etc.

As my mentor used to say, the best description he ever read in a screenplay was:

INT. ROOM - DAY

sh***y.



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27 Feb 2010, 12:29 pm

I like the second one better at first glance, because it's shorter. Also, I think that the phrase "dark and stormy night" has a reputation as a cliche way to start a story.



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27 Feb 2010, 1:14 pm

bicentennialman wrote:
I like the second one better at first glance, because it's shorter. Also, I think that the phrase "dark and stormy night" has a reputation as a cliche way to start a story.


Yes. Dont use "dark and stormy night' unless its a spoof..
The second one does make you wanna read on if for no other reason than to find out how an innocent youth could spread perversion.



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27 Feb 2010, 2:28 pm

As a seeker of elusive happy stories,
I typically find the ones that end badly on the last page
the next best thing. :wink:



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27 Feb 2010, 9:03 pm

bicentennialman wrote:
I like the second one better at first glance, because it's shorter. Also, I think that the phrase "dark and stormy night" has a reputation as a cliche way to start a story.


Indeed. Though I've never understood what's supposed to be so terrible about the line; it's not especially good or bad. :?:

Although maybe whoever first singled out that particular line for condemnation hadn't had the opportunity to delve into the rich seams of internet fanfic. :lol:

I prefer #2, anyway, and avoiding the association.


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28 Feb 2010, 3:35 am

as far as cliches go, dark and stormy night isn't the worst!

Writers are told to avoid cliches because they get boring after awhile. Boring for the writer AND the reader. :)



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28 Feb 2010, 7:23 am

heatherbabes wrote:
as far as cliches go, dark and stormy night isn't the worst!

Writers are told to avoid cliches because they get boring after awhile. Boring for the writer AND the reader. :)


Actually, a story about a dark and stormy knight could be rather fascinating.



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28 Feb 2010, 7:41 am

Sand wrote:
heatherbabes wrote:
as far as cliches go, dark and stormy night isn't the worst!

Writers are told to avoid cliches because they get boring after awhile. Boring for the writer AND the reader. :)


Actually, a story about a dark and stormy knight could be rather fascinating.


Well... dark and stormy guys are, by definition, fascinating and never boring... so yes.. yes that could work :)



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28 Feb 2010, 8:19 am

heatherbabes wrote:
Sand wrote:
heatherbabes wrote:
as far as cliches go, dark and stormy night isn't the worst!

Writers are told to avoid cliches because they get boring after awhile. Boring for the writer AND the reader. :)


Actually, a story about a dark and stormy knight could be rather fascinating.


Well... dark and stormy guys are, by definition, fascinating and never boring... so yes.. yes that could work :)


And if the end of the world was set in Medieval times of high superstition and spooky demons and an insane monk who knew how to raise a special kind of hell...sounds interesting.



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28 Feb 2010, 8:59 am

Sand wrote:
heatherbabes wrote:
Sand wrote:
heatherbabes wrote:
as far as cliches go, dark and stormy night isn't the worst!

Writers are told to avoid cliches because they get boring after awhile. Boring for the writer AND the reader. :)


Actually, a story about a dark and stormy knight could be rather fascinating.


Well... dark and stormy guys are, by definition, fascinating and never boring... so yes.. yes that could work :)


And if the end of the world was set in Medieval times of high superstition and spooky demons and an insane monk who knew how to raise a special kind of hell...sounds interesting.


Yes, indeed, it does. So, when can I read THAT story? :)