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18 Dec 2005, 10:56 am

...well, she IS god, right? :P </dogma joke>

I was listening to Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie yesterday (my favorite album by her) and was stuck by how musically perfect many of the songs are in sync with the words- especially "Sympathetic Character." She starts off kind of controlled and then lets herself go; we can hear her gasping for air by the end as if she's screaming at her tormenter, with the music beomcing more and more hectic in tune with the buildup of emotion. That's just the most superb example, many, many of her songs do similar things. Plus, when I listen, at least half the time (almost on every song on that album) I am thinking, "I could have written this. This is what I would be saying if I were a singer."



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18 Dec 2005, 4:12 pm

Serissa wrote:
...well, she IS god, right? :P


does that mean we can crucify her? :twisted:



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18 Dec 2005, 4:47 pm

hecate wrote:
Serissa wrote:
...well, she IS god, right? :P


does that mean we can crucify her? :twisted:


Oh God I hope so.....



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18 Dec 2005, 4:48 pm

I loved "Hands Clean".



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18 Dec 2005, 9:07 pm

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I loved "Hands Clean".


Regular or acoustic?



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18 Dec 2005, 9:26 pm

Serissa wrote:
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I loved "Hands Clean".


Regular or acoustic?


Both



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19 Dec 2005, 1:59 am

I liked SFIJ. I don't know where she went wrong after that.


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19 Dec 2005, 6:44 am

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I liked SFIJ. I don't know where she went wrong after that.


She stopped hating men quite so vehemently. :P Though I do like many of her songs after, she never quite reached that same height of raw emotion IMO. ((Nor did she pose nude for the cover on any of the others that I'm aware! :P))



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19 Dec 2005, 2:40 pm

Hee~ she was a sexy God in Dogma :-P

The only album I own is Jagged Little Pill, and I definitely loved it ^^ My friend Susan has all of her CDs, so perhaps she'll let me have some someday ^^

(See my current signature? That's an Alanis Morisette quote from the song Forgiven! AHH!)

I also really like that song from Under Rug Swept... Hands Clean, as you mentioned ^^ and that weird song from City of Angels, Uninvited. It's the shiz XD


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23 Dec 2005, 5:06 am

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Nor did she pose nude for the cover on any of the others that I'm aware! ))


Ah but she can't be much of a feminist if she posed naked on one of her record covers.

What a hypocrite :roll:

Although she does write good music. But then only for girls...



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23 Dec 2005, 2:53 pm

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Nor did she pose nude for the cover on any of the others that I'm aware! ))


Ah but she can't be much of a feminist if she posed naked on one of her record covers.

What a hypocrite :roll:


Uh, do you even KNOW the type of nudity we're talkibng about here? It's not pornographic! She wasn't doing it to be sexy- she was emotionally "naked" in the entire album! But I don't see how posing naked in any context makes her not a feminist. Please explain this, in as much detail as you can, so I can understand what thought processes lead to such a conclusion.



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01 Jan 2006, 5:34 pm

I came to that conclusion because I was being dogmatic and bowing to peer pressure. At that time I wrote that I think I had an argument as to why it was a bit hypocritical and possibly risque of her to pose naked on an album cover, and quite an intellectual one, but at the back of my mind was also something of an instinctive antipathy towards some of her songs, and this could only come out in terms of the language of an ignorant critic- 'she can't be much of a feminist...what a hypocrite'. In other words, the feeling in what I said was typical of someone who thinks bleating man haters don't deserve so much fame, so you only saw my statement for what it was, that is an over-emotive declaration, and didn't (naturally) think to receive it as an argument in itself.

In retrospect, however, Alanis Morrisette has written some amazing lyrics and I would always give her full credikt for that..

Hope this helps...



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01 Jan 2006, 6:00 pm

Sometimes I love her stuff. Mary Jane is potent for me... if I listen to it and it gets under my skin and I feeling like crying or something, that's a sign I'm in danger and it's time to pay attention. You Learn is awesome because I'm addicted to extremes. And Uninvited is just awesome cause it's true.

But the rest of it I can't stand and won't listen to.



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01 Jan 2006, 7:33 pm

pyraxis wrote:
Sometimes I love her stuff. Mary Jane is potent for me... if I listen to it and it gets under my skin and I feeling like crying or something, that's a sign I'm in danger and it's time to pay attention. You Learn is awesome because I'm addicted to extremes. And Uninvited is just awesome cause it's true.

But the rest of it I can't stand and won't listen to.


Haha. I think the song that gets me to cry most easily ATM is simple together; just the raw misery of it.

I just bought "the collection" and have been listening top "crazy" over and over again... have you heard that one and hated it? It's been on the radio lately and is pretty different, musically from her other stuf... it's a remix, I think, thouh I'm not sure.

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I came to that conclusion because I was being dogmatic and bowing to peer pressure. At that time I wrote that I think I had an argument as to why it was a bit hypocritical and possibly risque of her to pose naked on an album cover, and quite an intellectual one, but at the back of my mind was also something of an instinctive antipathy towards some of her songs, and this could only come out in terms of the language of an ignorant critic- 'she can't be much of a feminist...what a hypocrite'. In other words, the feeling in what I said was typical of someone who thinks bleating man haters don't deserve so much fame, so you only saw my statement for what it was, that is an over-emotive declaration, and didn't (naturally) think to receive it as an argument in itself.

In retrospect, however, Alanis Morrisette has written some amazing lyrics and I would always give her full credikt for that..

Hope this helps...


I was pleasantly surprised to see you post so eloquently. Thanks. I don't oppose anyone hating her stuff; I just don't think she is hypocritical for that cover. I'm aware she has a HECK of a lot of man-hating lyrics (in fact, that's what draws me to her; in fact, the fact that she has LESS now is a bit of a disappointment), but her stuff is actually pretty vaired, from man-hating to sappy to comletely outside of relationship stuff at all. :)



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01 Jan 2006, 7:48 pm

Serissa wrote:
I just bought "the collection" and have been listening top "crazy" over and over again... have you heard that one and hated it? It's been on the radio lately and is pretty different, musically from her other stuf... it's a remix, I think, thouh I'm not sure.


Don't think I've heard it at all. A friend gave me MP3's of the Jagged Little Pill and MTV Unplugged albums a while back, so, that's all I'm going by. Except for Uninvited, that one I pulled off the net myself.

I did forget one in my list though - I don't mind Perfect. Not exactly on my easy listening list, but there are a few times when it fits perfectly. Not that my parents were like that... but I kinda am :wink: .



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01 Jan 2006, 8:06 pm

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Don't think I've heard it at all. A friend gave me MP3's of the Jagged Little Pill and MTV Unplugged albums a while back, so, that's all I'm going by. Except for Uninvited, that one I pulled off the net myself.

I did forget one in my list though - I don't mind Perfect. Not exactly on my easy listening list, but there are a few times when it fits perfectly. Not that my parents were like that... but I kinda am :wink: .


It's funny, "perfect" isn't one I can relate to that much, though I can appreciate it, and I love the way she starts off calm then loses it. My mom has always pretty much loved me for who I am- it's me that wants me to be perfect. "That I would be good" and "Would not come" are closer to my life philosophies; you could see the lryics at http://www.azlyrics.com to see what I mean about that. "That I would be good" can kind of choke me up, or worse, ahve me screaming alon with the lyrics about three notes off or more. ((The latter never in the presence of others save possibly my mom, and she hates that song, I think, though she's a pretty hardcore alanis fan, she hates Supposed former infatuation junkie))

I need to get MTV unplugged, of all of her "adult" albums it's the only one I do not have now. It's hardish to find, though. You could check out a fair bit of her "hits" at http://launch.yahoo.com and watch the videos. I'd reccommend "precious illusions" just for the video itself- it's so fun to watch! It's basically showing, with split screen, how people picture or idealize their lives, and what they're really like. If you hate the song, turn the sound off. ;)