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25 Mar 2013, 4:31 pm

I'm really toying with getting one.

One stipulation - I DON'T want it to sound 80's (no Kenny G). I'm looking for one that sounds more trumpet-ish, ie right for mid to late 50's jazz or big band era (or just really crackly vintage dancehall/reggae); ie. something that sort of nostalgic mystique.

I see they range from $300ish to $10,000.

Is there something under $1,000 that has that sort of character more? Does anything under $1,000 sound remotely decent for that matter?

Just curious because I haven't even been out to check anything, just pondering cost-effectiveness and figuring out whether or not I'd really want to dabble.



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25 Mar 2013, 5:10 pm

Personally, I'd rent one from a music shop for a while and see if I could learn to play it first before spending that much money on purchasing one. But, if money is not a concern, more power to you.



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26 Mar 2013, 9:03 am

Thanks to your post I had a dream last night that I invested in a 'musical' brass whistle the size of a Chipotle burrito that had a cray paper mouthpiece. Even the professionals were lucky to get a few working notes out of it and many who tried to give auditions just cried and ran off the stage.

Ideally if they all sound close enough I'd rather buy something in the $300 range specifically because I don't feel like spending money on it if I try it and am less wild about it than I'd hoped. If it takes putting in over $1,000 or even much over $500 to get a decent starter then forget it.



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26 Mar 2013, 9:51 am

i dont think you'd get anything remotely decent for under $1000, unless you get them from ebay, but then still.
the $300-$800 models are usually entry-levels that are used for the first half year of practice, to see if talent and real interest are there; alos, the lack of decent sound isn't noticable yet at that level, becouse the player has no real skill to make a good one sound nice.

that said; as posted before, make sure you try out the instrument before you buy; if you buy frim ebay, make an appointment with the seller and try the instrument at his house.
if you are buying from a store; they usually have this 'try before you buy' action, you take one home (after paying some deposit), keep it for a week or two to try, and then swap it out for another one, usually giving you the choice from 4 or 5 different instruments.
musical instruments are expencive and type, sound, build and feel are very personal, the only way to know if it suits you is to try, just as a shoe or a 3-piece suit



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26 Mar 2013, 3:03 pm

izzeme, I just wanted to verify something, very noobish question but I am curious. Is it the same as with the trumpet where you need to provide the....err...sound source and oscillation with your lips (don't know the proper technical name for that) or is there a filament in the mouthpiece that assists that process?



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26 Mar 2013, 11:29 pm

get a load of THIS-
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8EkNeKJlo[/youtube]
sub-contrabass sax versus soprillo [above a soprano] sax.



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26 Mar 2013, 11:31 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
izzeme, I just wanted to verify something, very noobish question but I am curious. Is it the same as with the trumpet where you need to provide the....err...sound source and oscillation with your lips (don't know the proper technical name for that) or is there a filament in the mouthpiece that assists that process?

a soprano sax uses a reed held onto a mouthpiece by a ligature, not that different from a clarinet reed.



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27 Mar 2013, 12:30 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'm really toying with getting one.

One stipulation - I DON'T want it to sound 80's (no Kenny G). I'm looking for one that sounds more trumpet-ish, ie right for mid to late 50's jazz or big band era (or just really crackly vintage dancehall/reggae); ie. something that sort of nostalgic mystique.

I see they range from $300ish to $10,000.

Is there something under $1,000 that has that sort of character more? Does anything under $1,000 sound remotely decent for that matter?

Just curious because I haven't even been out to check anything, just pondering cost-effectiveness and figuring out whether or not I'd really want to dabble.
i dont know if you would sound like kenny G but you would not sound like a trumpet.any saxophone is basicly a glorified clarinette,or it is a clarinette actualy or at least a member of that family.it would sound very much like a clarinette

instraments over 4000 are a rip off really.i was in a music store where they had a new mandolin for 7K.you can get a 19th century italian violin for 25K,what new instriment is really worth more then 4000.instriments often just have a different sound and its more finding one that suits your playing style rather then one being better then another


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27 Mar 2013, 1:23 am

^^^
i beg to differ, a clarinet and a sax sound as different as a piano and a harpsichord. clarinets are cylindrical-bored giving them a more closed-off sound, compared with the bright brassy sound of the conical-bored saxes. an alto sax and a Bb clarinet occupy roughly the same pitch range [the clarinet goes way higher due to its harmonic structure] but that are the only similarities between them aside from the single-reed mouthpiece.



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27 Mar 2013, 7:55 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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i beg to differ, a clarinet and a sax sound as different as a piano and a harpsichord. clarinets are cylindrical-bored giving them a more closed-off sound, compared with the bright brassy sound of the conical-bored saxes. an alto sax and a Bb clarinet occupy roughly the same pitch range [the clarinet goes way higher due to its harmonic structure] but that are the only similarities between them aside from the single-reed mouthpiece.
different instrament in a instrament family sound different.but any sax sounds more like a woodwind then a trumpet or french horn


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28 Mar 2013, 11:16 am

auntblabby wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
izzeme, I just wanted to verify something, very noobish question but I am curious. Is it the same as with the trumpet where you need to provide the....err...sound source and oscillation with your lips (don't know the proper technical name for that) or is there a filament in the mouthpiece that assists that process?

a soprano sax uses a reed held onto a mouthpiece by a ligature, not that different from a clarinet reed.


indeed, but the player does contribute to, and has influence on, the sound; although less then on a trumpet (and other brass instruments).
all wind instruments have differences between brand and type (sometimes even between constructionyears), and as skill improves, these become noticable to the person playing it.
while there is no definite 'best', there is a clear difference in personal preference, brand and type of instrument, mouthpiece and, if applicable to the instrument, brand and size of the reed used.



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28 Mar 2013, 11:38 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'm really toying with getting one.

One stipulation - I DON'T want it to sound 80's (no Kenny G). I'm looking for one that sounds more trumpet-ish, ie right for mid to late 50's jazz or big band era (or just really crackly vintage dancehall/reggae); ie. something that sort of nostalgic mystique.

I see they range from $300ish to $10,000.

Is there something under $1,000 that has that sort of character more? Does anything under $1,000 sound remotely decent for that matter?

Just curious because I haven't even been out to check anything, just pondering cost-effectiveness and figuring out whether or not I'd really want to dabble.


I play alto and tenor sax. It's been many years since I've held a soprano. You're not going to get a trumpet-like sound with a sax. Trumpets are just too "bright". But the Kenny G sound is easy to avoid with the right mouthpiece and reed. Jazz and Big Band use a soft reed (around a 2). For the mouth piece refer to this picture. As the tip rail and baffle get more of a curve on them (i.e. tip rail and reed get further apart) you will get a more jazzy sound. The soft reed and wide mouth give you more control over the sound and allow a lot of warp and warble in your notes.
http://www.wwbw.com/Buyer-Guides-Saxoph ... 074t0.wwbw



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28 Mar 2013, 5:10 pm

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instraments over 4000 are a rip off really.i was in a music store where they had a new mandolin for 7K.you can get a 19th century italian violin for 25K,what new instriment is really worth more then 4000.instriments often just have a different sound and its more finding one that suits your playing style rather then one being better then another

Yeah, that's a bit like when a photographer is buying $10k lense - if its work it makes more sense.



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28 Mar 2013, 5:12 pm

Tressillian wrote:
I play alto and tenor sax. It's been many years since I've held a soprano. You're not going to get a trumpet-like sound with a sax. Trumpets are just too "bright". But the Kenny G sound is easy to avoid with the right mouthpiece and reed. Jazz and Big Band use a soft reed (around a 2). For the mouth piece refer to this picture. As the tip rail and baffle get more of a curve on them (i.e. tip rail and reed get further apart) you will get a more jazzy sound. The soft reed and wide mouth give you more control over the sound and allow a lot of warp and warble in your notes.
http://www.wwbw.com/Buyer-Guides-Saxoph ... 074t0.wwbw

TY.

I'm figuring it like this - if I want to graduate to trumpet I probably can, just that I'll want my own place as I've got protests right now against trumpet even before I've tried. Soprano sax seems considerably brighter than alto so it seems like something that would work well. I'll also definitely take your advice on the mouthpieces - 2 it will be.



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28 Mar 2013, 5:49 pm

izzeme wrote:
while there is no definite 'best', there is a clear difference in personal preference, brand and type of instrument, mouthpiece and, if applicable to the instrument, brand and size of the reed used.

did you know, that woody allen [a fine clarinetist in addition to his other talents] uses a #5 reed? he might as well play with a 2x4 in there!



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29 Mar 2013, 8:46 pm

Lol, that can't possibly be true.

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Thanks to your post I had a dream last night that I invested in a 'musical' brass whistle the size of a Chipotle burrito that had a cray paper mouthpiece. Even the professionals were lucky to get a few working notes out of it and many who tried to give auditions just cried and ran off the stage.