People's opinions on goth, punk and emo as overdone labels?

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Are you finding yourself tired of the labels "emo/goth/punk/indie/etc?"
Yes, DEFINITELY. 31%  31%  [ 4 ]
kind of. 38%  38%  [ 5 ]
no. 31%  31%  [ 4 ]
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08 Apr 2012, 11:23 pm

I don't know about everyone else but there must be a lot of people who tire of the idea of labeling somebody based on their musical preferences or even to the point of them taking over how their personality traits conduct who they are. I mean, you like that music, but what if that doesn't complete your entire sense of being? I can imagine someone being turned off by the idea that just because they sometimes listen to Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM or Combichrist they have to wear black everything and think deeply about the brooding subject of death EEEK so wonderful! No offense, but at the same time if people who like industrial goth bands are labeled as such that is just my point for anyone who likes any specific genre of music. In a way that includes hipsters, preps and teenyboppers (those of course who are high schoolers and middle schoolers obsessed with the world of "youth celebrities' gossip and bubblegum pop music," to be specific.) Anyhow, if you have an opinion, STATE IT, because i consider this more than just an interesting concept.


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08 Apr 2012, 11:26 pm

i think of it as people that wear black make up, all the same to me


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08 Apr 2012, 11:34 pm

Don't care much. I think people get too much crap over those labels, and people have nothing better to do but criticize those people. I myself like a bit of dress-up, but I don't intentionally dress like a subgenre, whatever that means.


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09 Apr 2012, 12:37 am

I don't understand why people have to take a judgemental approach towards certain clothing or labels. I don't see why people feel the need to associate characteristics and roles with certain images, I think people like to cling to outlines and stereotypes because it gives them a sense of structure. It's easy to for people to judge based on an outline but difficult to truly understand someone from an empathetic perspective.



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09 Apr 2012, 1:34 am

I don't have any issue with labels (including towards myself), as long as it's true. I listen to metal, and wear band t-shirts, and I have no issue being called a metalhead. I am nerdy and have no issues with being called a nerd, but I would not like being called goth, I don't have a problem with the gothic culture or the people who are a part of it, it's just that I'm not a part of it.

Yes, stereotypes can be very annoying/aggravating, but even if someone doesn't specifically label you as being part of a certain culture, they will still apply those stereotypes to you. Regardless of what they call you, people are always going to think certain things of you if you wear black, or have crazy looking hair, or whatever style is associated with a certain culture. To me it's the automatic stereotyping that is the problem, not the labels themselves.


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09 Apr 2012, 3:55 am

enchantedaprilchels wrote:
I don't know about everyone else but there must be a lot of people who tire of the idea of labeling somebody based on their musical preferences or even to the point of them taking over how their personality traits conduct who they are. I mean, you like that music, but what if that doesn't complete your entire sense of being? I can imagine someone being turned off by the idea that just because they sometimes listen to Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM or Combichrist they have to wear black everything and think deeply about the brooding subject of death EEEK so wonderful! No offense, but at the same time if people who like industrial goth bands are labeled as such that is just my point for anyone who likes any specific genre of music. In a way that includes hipsters, preps and teenyboppers (those of course who are high schoolers and middle schoolers obsessed with the world of "youth celebrities' gossip and bubblegum pop music," to be specific.) Anyhow, if you have an opinion, STATE IT, because i consider this more than just an interesting concept.


I more then agree with you.

People shouldn't act in the way "dictated" by their musical preferences but rather listen to music that fits to the way they are at the moment. For example, I've always had grunge and 90's alternative bands on my playlist but never felt like wearing flannel shirts or raving about how insensitive and shallow the world is because of it. The last couple of years I've been depressed and angsty. Suddenly bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam appealed to me more then before. That's most of what I listen to right now and I may be called a "grunger" in relation to my behavior.
I think that emulation by fans is actually the opposite of what true artists intend. They write music for people like them, not for people to be like them. I remember Kurt Cobain raving about the absurdity of the "40$ flannel shirt" in an interview.



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09 Apr 2012, 3:18 pm

I don't really have an issue with labels, mis-use can be annoying.........I mean no I am not goth because I wear black, that's stupid I would have to listen to a lot of goth rock and consider myself part of the associated sub-culture to be 'goth'. I happen to be more into metal, so I consider myself a metalhead and I like the color black who cares.


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09 Apr 2012, 5:08 pm

it depends. if you like the sound of punk rock, awesome. but that you adopt an entirely new persona and change your world view, fashion, mannerisms, etc. because of it... now that's a bit much. I can live with the change of fashion though, if that's all.


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09 Apr 2012, 5:15 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
I don't understand why people have to take a judgemental approach towards certain clothing or labels. I don't see why people feel the need to associate characteristics and roles with certain images, I think people like to cling to outlines and stereotypes because it gives them a sense of structure. It's easy to for people to judge based on an outline but difficult to truly understand someone from an empathetic perspective.


not at all.

more often then not, any stereotype has an acorn of truth, and the person who is being stereotyped often lives out many of those stereotypes...

You can be the exception but that doesn't mean that society is wrong for associating what most people of a given group behave most often like. You are as you act and if the majority of you act in a certain way, then its fair to associate that group with the way they act. If you don't like the way your group acts, then fight to change your group, instead of telling society not to be human.


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10 Apr 2012, 12:02 am

Well I am Punk Goth so I don't mind it really.



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10 Apr 2012, 1:29 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
I don't understand why people have to take a judgemental approach towards certain clothing or labels. I don't see why people feel the need to associate characteristics and roles with certain images, I think people like to cling to outlines and stereotypes because it gives them a sense of structure. It's easy to for people to judge based on an outline but difficult to truly understand someone from an empathetic perspective.


not at all.

more often then not, any stereotype has an acorn of truth, and the person who is being stereotyped often lives out many of those stereotypes...

You can be the exception but that doesn't mean that society is wrong for associating what most people of a given group behave most often like. You are as you act and if the majority of you act in a certain way, then its fair to associate that group with the way they act. If you don't like the way your group acts, then fight to change your group, instead of telling society not to be human.


If that is the case, the stereotyped person does live by outlines and chooses to associate with the persona or label they have perceived themselves to be, however society invented those outlines through categorizing in a biased manner. We are what we perceive ourselves to be and what our social environment or conditioning shapes us to be, disassociating ourselves from outlines and not putting everything in categories or boxes isn't inhuman, it's actually opening ourselves from narrow and rigid thinking that creates division in society.



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10 Apr 2012, 5:17 am

Any sort of label of categorisation like this is a bad thing when used by people who are igorant or thoughtless. Often it depends on context I guess. e.g.:

Two former flatmates of mine called me a goth because I owned a couple of pairs of black jeans and a Metallica album. Seriously. That was their ONLY basis for it. Laughable really, looking back on it. But then, they weren't nearly as pleasant, open-minded and knowledgable as they liked to think they were, and in retrospect it was an indirect way of insulting me while coming across as nice and 'friendly' in front of other people. :evil:

My taste in music is very diverse at the moment, but the whole stereotyping thing actually makes me stop and ask myself whether the way I speak, dress or behave is giving out some message I don't want it to. "I won't wear this shirt with those shoes in case someone thinks I'm a hipster." or "if I do my hair like this I'll get called an emo." It's stupid and really irritating at times because I want to just *be* and avoid drawing attention to myself.

I'm sure this thread will be very long and contain some long and insightful answers, so I don't feel I'm able to contribute much more than this. I just find stereotyping in general headdesk-inducing, and the OP's concerns are a good example of that.