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Do you like imperfection?
Yes 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Yes 22%  22%  [ 6 ]
In some cases... 22%  22%  [ 6 ]
In some cases... 48%  48%  [ 13 ]
No, never 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No, never 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 27

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09 May 2014, 2:53 pm

In just about any form of art I feel there is more and more a focus on perfecting every detail. Every little detail gets polished again and again to remove any trace of "imperfection." For instance in music you have a lot of way of mixing the original sound so that it can be polished, distortions can be remove, pitch can be altered, effects can be added and so on... For me, this often ends up as soulless crap.

I'm not saying I want to hear people singing wildly out of tune, playing their instruments as if they were tuned by a deaf person. But I do like music that has a few "flaws" like the grunge bands. That uhm, well, "grungy" sound, feedback, Kurt Cobain's raspy vocals is a huge part of what I like about grunge music.

It doesn't have to be as apparent as with grunge, but small things like voice cracking often, too me at least, gives the music a special feel.

What do you people think? Anyone agree?


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09 May 2014, 5:10 pm

I'm not sure how to answer your poll, because wouldn't responses be affected by how each of us defined 'perfection'? For example, if someone's idea of perfection happened to be something like Kurt Cobain's vocals, then would that person be able to see that his vocals could be considered imperfect?

That might not make any sense, sorry. I would much prefer what you described than overly polished 'soulless crap'.
Also, pleased to see someone mention 'grunge' music/Kurt Cobain. :)


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09 May 2014, 5:21 pm

LookingLost wrote:
I'm not sure how to answer your poll, because wouldn't responses be affected by how each of us defined 'perfection'? For example, if someone's idea of perfection happened to be something like Kurt Cobain's vocals, then would that person be able to see that his vocals could be considered imperfect?

That might not make any sense, sorry. I would much prefer what you described than overly polished 'soulless crap'.
Also, pleased to see someone mention 'grunge' music/Kurt Cobain. :)

What I mean about perfection is basically things that are without flaws. Such as singing slightly of key, playing a note that technically doesn't fit along with the rest, voice cracking, feedback.

I generally think music these days are trying to please everybody. And I don't think music works that way. It needs to have something that makes it special.


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09 May 2014, 5:41 pm

I know, sorry, I just meant that if someone likes imperfect things best, then they might consider imperfect things as perfect. I know that I'm probably not making sense, sorry.

Yes, I think you're right. I like music which is more innovative, raw and distinctive than most of what I hear around me.


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10 May 2014, 4:06 am

In stories a good character is an imperfect character because it's through their difficulties that the triumph in the end becomes all the more sweeter, and there wouldn't really be a story if the character was so perfect the adversity never reared it's head. It's why in a lot of certain movies I tend to cringe at the shoe-horned affliction that the main character has, because even though I think this character in the real world would fair much better than most other people, the creators saw how essential imperfection was to a character, who is otherwise very strong, because without that weakness to throw him or her off-balance, there wouldn't be a story.

The more flawed a human being is the more personality they're going to have, perfect creatures I think wont have much of a sense of humor because a lot of humor is pocking fun at another humans incompetence, which is why the court jesters were "fools" or what have you, their stupidity brought laughter, which made everyone feel better, a world without any people to fill the role of "jesters" would be a more boring one.

I try to use this argument for people ashamed of being aspies, if everyone was NT's the world would be a bit less interesting -- we fill a role that's not really appreciated until we're gone.



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10 May 2014, 12:15 pm

morslilleole wrote:
LookingLost wrote:
I'm not sure how to answer your poll, because wouldn't responses be affected by how each of us defined 'perfection'? For example, if someone's idea of perfection happened to be something like Kurt Cobain's vocals, then would that person be able to see that his vocals could be considered imperfect?

That might not make any sense, sorry. I would much prefer what you described than overly polished 'soulless crap'.
Also, pleased to see someone mention 'grunge' music/Kurt Cobain. :)

What I mean about perfection is basically things that are without flaws. Such as singing slightly of key, playing a note that technically doesn't fit along with the rest, voice cracking, feedback.

I generally think music these days are trying to please everybody. And I don't think music works that way. It needs to have something that makes it special.


Flaw is relative, if you want it slightly out of key, it's not flawed. Feedback is often intentionally added, thus it's not a flaw.

That being said, there is a beauty in imperfection, one that cannot be found in perfection.


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11 May 2014, 1:17 am

When it comes to other people's mistakes, I think it depends on the degree of the mistake and whether the mistake was intentional. However, when I make a mistake in something important, I don't take it well at all.



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11 May 2014, 11:18 am

All music is imperfect.



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12 May 2014, 7:03 pm

I don't believe we were ment to be perfect. Imperfection is individuality. It's what makes us love a particular person.

To deny perfection exist is however impossible. You have K 626 to prove it.

I am referring of course to completely diferent levels of things.



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13 May 2014, 11:47 am

One of my favorite styles of visual art is geometry based pictures.

I discovered a few years ago that geometric designs and patterns were big in Islamic cultures. One aspect of this artform stood out. Artists would introduce an imperfection to show they were imperfect as men and only Allah could be perfect.

This is one of the things that changed my view of making mistakes in my art. I saw that while I am imperfect and I don't always bring my best to the table, that's okay. I'm human, and mistakes are bound to happen.


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15 May 2014, 3:55 pm

I definately like things to be a bit raw.

I remember having singing lessons in high school. We were taught to sing in a theatrical stage musical way. We had to pronounce everything perfectly, like in Les Mis where she sings. "When the tigers come at night" we were told to sing night with a Londoner's accent: "Naayt" because that was the propper way to sing. I didn't understand that. I have never lived in London, I do not have that accent, why should I sing like that.

I like rough vocals. I really enjoy Biffy Clyro, but I like their earlier unpolished stuff from the first EP before they became more popular. I'm not so enamoured with the Blackened Sky versions of those songs and their current sound is a bit too well polished for me. But they guy's voice is still as wonderfully unpolished as ever.

I like raw lyrics as well. A bit of angst is very enjoyable in music.

In terms of artwork I absolutely adore impressionist painting. I love how the artist gave in impression of shape rather than made everything perfect. That's the way I paint and it is very enjoyable to do.



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15 May 2014, 9:38 pm

Yesssssss. I love weird syncopated non-repetative beats and I love it when you hear in music or read in poetry a part that gives you a distinctly dysphoric feeling inside, you get a shiver down your spine, you stop what you're doing and your guts jump up into a knot! I love this kind of thing!

Repetition and when things are too polished... it kind of hits my "advertising filter" and my brain just tunes it out, as if it knows what's coming so it becomes unimportant to pay attention to? I can't control it.