Pop Punk good or evil

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do you like it do you hate it. does it even raelly exist or is it just another attempt at classification?
Pop - new and of general appeal, meldodic.

who was the first pop punk band well lets see um ramones had catchy songs but never had a major hit. sex pistols had a major hit but wheren't really that catchy or melodic.

pop punks always been here since punk rock and there both great the problem i have is when bands forget how to rock!

i don't listen to pop or rock i listen to music that i like and is reasonably cool not lame but how do u define cool or lame.

what do u think?

Neither, but I do not like it personally.

I don't mind it, but I hate it when some hypocrtitical-non-conformist arsewipe goes "oh everyone likes green day/good charlotte/simple plan/Avril Lavigne so therefore they suck!"

a good genre that has been hijacked and bastardized by mainstream media looking to cash in on the real deal by pushing wal-mart friendly, non-threatening acts like good charlotte and simple plan.



here's some stuff i like that's along the lines of pop punk....except the network who are more pop punk combined with new wave.




The Network - Supermodel Robots


The Frustrators - Hide and Seek


Pinhead Gunpowder - Cabot Girl

and a fun video for good measure...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtBmztonYw[/youtube]


^Mr. T Experience - I Fell for You


i <3 mtx

more MTX because i'm a dork like that...



mtx - ...and i will be with you

[GVideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8288314100775856552&q=mr+t+experience[/GVideo]


mtx - ba ba ba ba ba


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I'm not going to say that they suck, however I will maintain that I really don't like most of the stuff that bills itself as being 'punk' these days quite simply due to the fact that I got into punk music in 1980-1981, when the scene was much smaller, much more diverse, and much more open to genuinely strange people.

Nowadays, and pretty much for the last 10-15 years it seems as if the punk scene has been dumbed down by conformity, and it seems to be a more of a contrived marketing package. --Anarchy For Sale, indeed.

Also, I think that a lot of the bigger bands suck, not because they're big, but because of the fact that after most bands get big, the quality of their music goes down. They exhaust their old material,they're no longer hungry, and their original inspiration gets waylaid by the fact that they can now afford to spend a few months getting their songs 'right' in the studio, as opposed to being poor, and having to be good enough to record an album's worth of material in the space of a few hours.

A good Proof of Concept model for this would be The Ramones. Towards the end of their career, people liked them not for the new stuff that they cranked out, but for the old stuff like Rocket To Russia. --And the Ramones made a career of essentially releasing the same album over and over again for over 20 years.

A better example of this would be Black Sabbath. People like them for the first four albums that they released, not for the Technical Ecstasy album.

we had a good scene in new orleans...dunno what's going on now...but when i was coming up, it was awesome. seems kinda like it's gotten a little dumber lately...but it seems the whole world has been getting more and more stupid as time passes.

Hüsker Dü - pop-punk?
In that case, "yay".

i listen to punk alot. Green day was punk but aren't as much punk as they used to be, the clash is good, ramones and sex pistols are GREAT bands, your avatar is derived from SP's most famous album cover. punk has been around for ages, if you wan't to know how cool it is, read
"PUNK the defenitive record of a revoloution" by Stephen Colegrave & Chris Sullivan

the thing is punk is a culture, not just a form of music, or a movement, or a clothing style. it's roots go back to before america, the first punk was 19th century painter Gustave Courbet. (this is the culture, the music came along in 1973) it is really cool, all the history, later in history, there was a group of people who ate spiders and had spiked hair, there was another guy who would go to big n' rich parties, and make dookies in the fireplace, if his gas caught fire, he would put it out with urin, the main characteristics of all of these people is that they protested the way the government works, for good reason...

were they pop punk?


i like them but never thought about that.

a. That's what I'm asking.

b. Genres aren't really useful anyway...

normally they're not...there's only a few bands that i really think fit into pop punk or power pop.....and husker du isn't one of them.

Well, they were hard, punk-ish, in sound, but in a more accessible way. That equals "pop".
But then again, as I said, I really don't care...
If I like the music, well fine, then I like it. If I don't ... well, then I listen to something else.

Listening > genre conformity

Not really. Husker Du (Sorry, I'm too lazy to do the Umlauts) had their own thing going. Some people have called them proto-emo, but I think that is not entirely correct. They were far too intellectual for that. I remember towards the end of their career people were calling them 'Urban Folk', which is probably a more apt description.

Then again, one of my favorite 80's albums is Zen Arcade. On that album they juggled various style ranging from their 'Urban Folk' sound to balls out Hardcore, to Rock, to Jazz inspired Jam Rock.

I had the chance to see them live a few times, but I was either too busy doing other things, broke, or foolish enough to think that their new stuff wasn't as 'punk' as their old stuff.

husker du started out playing ramones covers they are considered to be one the first Proto grunge bands along with fugazi and the melvins. they are 100% not punk pop no way they are very alternative and obscure definitately not pop.

husker du

Alt/rock, punk hardcore, proto grunge.

not emo either.

i wonder if bands sellout on perpose or are they innocent. well who cares if they sellout stop listening to them. but still ive always wondered what actually happens because most start out ok and then go bad.