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21 Aug 2015, 7:49 pm

This is my primary musical interest. Love it. So chaotic and unpredictable. If you're into it, post your favorites, and maybe some obscure ones. This should have a bunch of responses....



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21 Aug 2015, 8:07 pm

Well I don't really know what it is exactly....what would be some bands in that genre? And is there a difference between mathcore and math metal or does it refer to the same style?

I do enjoy metal though, more into folk metal, doom metal, black metal and thrash metal or combinations of those, then of course death/doom though.


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21 Aug 2015, 8:37 pm

Yeah post some examples, I'm not sure if any of the metal I listen to is "mathcore" or not.



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21 Aug 2015, 11:26 pm

I put it as a slash because metal sub-genres can get so granular that its insane and I dont always know one from the other. They would be slightly different from my understanding. Math metal being more rooted in metal, and mathcore more in hardcore. Its characterized by odd time signatures, unconventional composition, chuggy and or experimental/noise guitar (effects/scrapes/slides), many changes, often with few or in some cases no repeating parts. It's like ADD music. Polyrythmic drumming, and in the case of mathcore is almost exclusively screamed rythmically and any clean singing is sometimes intentionally flat or poor or overprocessed. Most people, even metal fans hate alot of this stuff because "thats not how you're supposed to play your instrument/write songs" or "its just noise". Which it sorta is, but in it's best it well constructed evolving noise unconfined by conventional song structure or expectations. And very energetic, sometimes real deep grooves, and always pissed off.

Some more well knows examples would be:
Meshuggah (Djent and math metal sorta cross over in some areas Periphery qualifies Id guess tho not my thing)
The Dillenger Escape Plan
The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza
Norma Jean
The Chariot
The Red Chord (some call deathcore again subgenres dicey)
Iwrestledabearonce
Candiria
(Old) Mudvayne
Car Bomb
Torrential Downpour
Into the Moat
Ion Dissonance
Barrier
Arsonists Get all the Girls
Veil of Maya

It's relatively recent. The forefathers of the genre would have to be the likes of Candiria and Meshuggah wo both cam out in the early 90's but didnt get noticed until later in the decade. Dillenger Escape Plan would more or less be the template if you were to tell someone one band that defined the sound.

Tool is sometimes called math metal, but O dont see how they aremetal at all really.



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22 Aug 2015, 8:19 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv6XHdtf9vg&spfreload=10



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23 Aug 2015, 5:43 am

I see that Zeni Geva, Ruins, and Lightning Bolt have not been mentioned yet.


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23 Aug 2015, 12:40 pm

staremaster wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv6XHdtf9vg&spfreload=10



Heard the name, never heard the music. While it dont seem like exactly my thing to listen to (tho a few tries is in order), awesome to hear roots of the style going that far back. I love hearing where things come from. Thanks.



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23 Aug 2015, 12:57 pm

Fogman wrote:
I see that Zeni Geva, Ruins, and Lightning Bolt have not been mentioned yet.

Interesting how far back the first two go and bother are from Japan. Maybe a new vein I havent explored. Maybe a little too noisy for me, but threw them on my Spotify, lets see if they sink in. Always love checking new things out.



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23 Aug 2015, 7:40 pm

beakybird wrote:
Fogman wrote:
I see that Zeni Geva, Ruins, and Lightning Bolt have not been mentioned yet.

Interesting how far back the first two go and bother are from Japan. Maybe a new vein I havent explored. Maybe a little too noisy for me, but threw them on my Spotify, lets see if they sink in. Always love checking new things out.


Tatsuya Yoshida of Ruins is also Zeni Geva's drummer. --I think he was also the drummer for a very early iteration of The Boredoms as well.


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24 Aug 2015, 3:00 pm

Title made me think of this:


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27 Aug 2015, 7:53 am

I am familiar with some of the bands listed here, but personally I do not like mathcore as it's too chaotic.



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27 Aug 2015, 3:33 pm

beakybird wrote:
Meshuggah (Djent and math metal sorta cross over in some areas Periphery qualifies Id guess tho not my thing)
The Dillenger Escape Plan
The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza
Norma Jean
The Chariot
The Red Chord (some call deathcore again subgenres dicey)
Iwrestledabearonce
Candiria
(Old) Mudvayne
Car Bomb
Torrential Downpour
Into the Moat
Ion Dissonance
Barrier
Arsonists Get all the Girls
Veil of Maya

It's relatively recent. The forefathers of the genre would have to be the likes of Candiria and Meshuggah wo both cam out in the early 90's but didnt get noticed until later in the decade. Dillenger Escape Plan would more or less be the template if you were to tell someone one band that defined the sound.

Tool is sometimes called math metal, but O dont see how they aremetal at all really.


From the look of it not really my thing based on those bands....but hey to each their own. As for Tool I think they could maybe be considered progressive metal, then again maybe more progressive rock. IDK I personally have never found their music all that interesting, its not bad but I guess just doesn't keep my interest.


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27 Aug 2015, 5:35 pm

jackinblack wrote:
I am familiar with some of the bands listed here, but personally I do not like mathcore as it's too chaotic.


It's certainly an acquired taste. I generally tend to prefer off-time music every since I heard it. That's not across the board, but interests my ears.

Some mathcore bands aren't too terribly chaotic. But I suppose that's relative to the listener. I guess it's sort of like telling a non-drinker that you can't taste the alcohol in a drink. They sure as hell can. No matter what it is.



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27 Aug 2015, 5:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
beakybird wrote:
Meshuggah (Djent and math metal sorta cross over in some areas Periphery qualifies Id guess tho not my thing)
The Dillenger Escape Plan
The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza
Norma Jean
The Chariot
The Red Chord (some call deathcore again subgenres dicey)
Iwrestledabearonce
Candiria
(Old) Mudvayne
Car Bomb
Torrential Downpour
Into the Moat
Ion Dissonance
Barrier
Arsonists Get all the Girls
Veil of Maya

It's relatively recent. The forefathers of the genre would have to be the likes of Candiria and Meshuggah wo both cam out in the early 90's but didnt get noticed until later in the decade. Dillenger Escape Plan would more or less be the template if you were to tell someone one band that defined the sound.

Tool is sometimes called math metal, but O dont see how they aremetal at all really.


From the look of it not really my thing based on those bands....but hey to each their own. As for Tool I think they could maybe be considered progressive metal, then again maybe more progressive rock. IDK I personally have never found their music all that interesting, its not bad but I guess just doesn't keep my interest.


I've seen tool classified as math metal before as they do employ off time in their music, tho compositionally its pretty vanilla rock music. When I was younger i was a huge Tool fan. But they lost me after Aenima. I too find their music uninteresting. Maynard is a hell of a singer, but his style annoys me too. But great musicians, esp the drummer...