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12 May 2018, 10:02 pm

I read Rhoald Dahl's novel " Charlie and the Chocolate Factory " when I was young, even before the movie came out. I saw the first movie version, with Gene Wilder, retitled " Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory ", then, too. This century a movie remake restored the book's title.
To-day, I had SyFy channel on for the Wilder movie, I fell asleep before the rich girl met her fate - then woke up as SyFy showing the modern remake back-to-back with the original, which I'd never seen, of the story was finishing off.
Let's discuss all versions of this story, screen and printed page :D ! There have been revisions to the book over the years, as mores and what is considered acceptable in children's literature have changed. I would think, maybe, of the story as an almost cliche " what would appeal to an Aspie kid " story :lol: .


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22 May 2018, 8:12 pm

I was in 3rd grade when our teacher (this was 1995-6?) read us the book a chapter per day, and then we watched the movie. :D

I remember when I was in 11-ish grade (I think this was around 2003 or so), some of the class clowns in math class would always quote lines from the original movie, so the teacher brought it in to show it to us the couple days before Thanksgiving. :D

My friend had a crush on Johnny Depp in the mid-to-late 2000's, so I know she went to the cinema to see the remake, and I think I ended up renting/watching it within the next couple of years. I actually caught about the last half on SyFy about a month ago. I always thought it had a creepy humor to it.



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22 May 2018, 9:37 pm

...It is definitely truth that the way the Oommpa-Loompas were presented in the book saw revisions over the years. Dahl was a product of the colonial British Empire, after all! Read the Wikipedia entry on the book. (Hugh Lofting's " Doctor Doolittle " books, also by a colonialism-era Brit, have been revised by his estate over the years ~ I haven't read the books since I was a kid, and the 1960s movie of " Doolittle " with Rex Harrison has a " 1960s turkey " reputation, and that Eddie Murphy remake, I believe, kept only the name and basic concept.)
I have seen indications that Dahl wanted to kill off, as in dead, the bad children in the original book ~ But perhaps the American, especially, publisher wouldn't let him.
Both films of the story keep a British setting ~ On an old board of mine, someone said that Jack Albertson's accent, in the first movie, wasn't very British - I argued that of the Eastern European Jews who emigrated to America, some of that type emigrated to Britain instead ~ However, I suppose they might have developed a different English-speaking accent than the American ones 8O ?? Albertson, I suppose, does sound like the " old guy hanging around the deli/golf course " light comedy Jewish character of American films, Mel Brooks or similar ~ I suppose.
The was Wonka is presented in what I saw of the remake ~ Bluntlly, he comes off like the image Michael Jackson likked to present of himself during his later years! I recall Michael being talked about as playing Wonka, before the remake was actually made.
I suppose the remake movie drops the actual, " book musical "-style, people actually break out into song moments that the 70s one had? I guess that tends to be seen as corny to-day. Too bad :( .


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22 May 2018, 9:51 pm

...In the dialogue leading up to " The Candyman " in the Wilder movie ~ It sounds like they're trying to have the Candy seller snealka wordplay on the " naughty " British phrase " w*ker " 8O ! !! !! !! !! ~ which wasn't that well-known in America then :mrgreen: ~ in.


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" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!