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I know I do this a fair share in the Listening thread but I thought I'd bring one to the forefront. Its not that its wildly better than anything I've listed before but I think it's got its own style of energy. Like I've said in the past, I like really emotionally immersive music, stuff that's deep and spiritual but pretty twisted at the same time.

From what I've discovered about this mix to get good sound out of it and really get a good feel for just how well this stuff was built kinetically you need a good pair of headphones. I ended up at Radio Shack recently buying some earbuds for my laptop at work and Sony does make MDR series for PC's and walkmans, they require a bit of cleaning just because they go directly into your ears and have a rubber diaphram around the driver but for the sound quality they're well worth it.

Here's what my sharing this mix directly comes down to: its just the kind of thing that hits all the spots that I've talked about before - when this gets to the deeper and more instrumentally divergent stuff this is exactly what I mean by multi-layer (though I know it would be insane to expect this of rock, I wouldn't but still at least you know where my head is at). If you like very kinetically oriented music its straight dope. If you like stuff with a pretty healthy dose of the emotionally sublime, its right on track. The set does start off on some pretty mellow stuff but don't let yourself get fooled, its not the kind of thing that's going to make you nod off and drool on your keyboard. It keeps that tone but the beats get a lot more agressive and mindbending. The mood steepens, they're doing things where if you haven't heard this particular side of this particular genre you may not have even known it existed.

Still, its a great way to get your mind blown in a pretty positive way and if you're utterly unfamiliar with this stuff I'll give you a hint - if you find yourself right off the start thinking "Its kinda catchy but I don't know", sit there and play solitaire, check your emails, chat, but leave the headphones on or speakers up (if you've got something that projects well spatially) and just let it play close by in the background. You'll definitely notice it picks up momentum and intensity within about 20 minutes, keeps delving deeper, and it does change up a lot but overall the ride is pretty consistent in quality.

Something else about these particular guys, they rarely ever let me down. This sets very similar, there's almost always one thing that really takes me back like "WOAH is that creative..." and that one I think comes in around an hour and 26 minutes in (its a 2 hour set). I won't give away much aside from to say that its a mix of something very old, like 1930's or 40's New Orleans style, with sounds of now - not that its never been mixed with dark jazz, soul, or blues before but this is about the first time I've heard it done this way.

http://www.osmosisbeats.com/audio/dnb/m ... de1177.mp3

So that's pretty much it. Some people may well agree with me on this sort of thing, others might think I'm hyping it up to be way more than it is - what can I say though, we all feel music differently and I'm being pretty honest for myself here.

Well, listen, learn, and yeah - if you've got anything positive and analytical feel free to say something about it .

You sound like you have a bit of a overly specific taste in music.
Don't you have a hard time finding stuff you like?
(Btw, whatever that thing is, its downloading now)

Yeah, my advice listening to it - probably fastforward a bit, there is one track around 11 minutes that lames me out a little but at the same time if an overall set is dope I don't get too hung up on one track or another and its not like its completely out of its element - more the fact that if people don't know what this is from start to finish they'll still be sizing it up from track to track. Another thing though Yog, you say you do like heavier harder sounds - this genre's also got a lot of stuff that's pretty well tangent to black metal in terms of the amount of grime and hard-hitting elements, just that the list of people your looking at in terms of producers is a bit different (I'd list em but seeing that my threads are hitting front pages of yahoo searches has me thinking I'd rather be a little less descript and just IM people that sort of thing).

Its hard to explain my seeming limitation in tastes though. I think a lot of it just has to do with how I feel life and the reality around me or at least like to, if it really doesn't feel 'real' in my mind or hit something deeper at least melodically its kinda hard to get into it. I mean top 40, country, commersh hip-hop, and commersh rock I can have fun with if I'm drunk with people who are really into it but that's really it - its more group dynamic than me really going for what I would naturally. Believe it or not though, within this genre I don't really have that hard of a time finding stuff that I like - just that when it comes to other genres it tends to show a bit more. There's still a lot of metal and industrial that I can get into just like there's a lot of rap I can get into, just that its hard to sort it out by vibe or feel and like with this stuff I need to just keep my ear to the ground.

On my scope though, I definitely don't find it to be a weakness though. Not that I get cocky in any specific way, but it does often feel like I get a lot more out of music than a lot of people at least really admit to - I know that could be partly because I just maybe do better at getting real descriptive, I'd like to think that's the case, but its hard to really say for sure.

Honestly, I gave this a chance, but it was almost literally painful for me.
That soulless drum machine thing was so painfully annoying, it didn't change at all throughout the whole hour! Most of the music itself didn't sound like it was changing much.
I guess the whole thing to me just sounds like something some guy put together entirely on his computer, and that was probably why it was so hard for me to listen to. Its like hollow and lifeless, theres no emotion, no energy, nothing, just computer generated techno dance club music.
But thats just the way I heard it. I'm really not good at sugarcoating stuff.
I listen to like 90% metal of all genres, and it mostly depends on how I feel at the moment, cause my mood can change rapidly, I will be listening to Cannibal Corpse on minute and Faith No More the next. I like to have a lot of options, so I collect cds, I have only like 200 of em though, but all great ones.
I've never known anybody else who was as crazy about music as I am. I practically nut myself over some songs, I don't know how to describe the feelings I get, but its like a puzzle, I have to find the exact song at the exact right time to feel that way.
My music is more important to me than anything, I think I would be dead by now if not for it.
I'm not sure what point I'm making, but I guess I'm saying that I think I really do get as much out of music as you do.

Ditto.



Heh, I definitely wasn't saying "Pretend you like it". Though when people say something from that end its one of those things where I get the feeling that they're more sunk into what it is in terms of biases they have rather than what's really going on in terms of the tracks themselves - if you know yourself and your ears better than that though I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. Being that I make this kind of stuff myself though, and have played guitar in the bands as well I can say that the image people have of people just hitting a few buttons - nothing of the like, it definitely take s a lot of talent and know-how as well as knowledge of how to do what with the sounds and for me I actually do find it even more challenging than playing guitar or what most people would accredit and respect as a 'real' instrument.




Yeah, that's how I get into this stuff. Being that's the case though I definitely believe ya - sounds like we're on the same page as far as that but get the same thing out of very different stuff.

I never said anything about playing guitar, I was talking about a band, a whole band with people and such. I've heard people make music just like this alone on their computer without touching anything but the mouse and keyboard. That may not be the case with this particular piece of music, but you coulda fooled me. It was just the drums that I couldn't ignore or drown out, the drum beat didn't sound like it changed at all, and it kidna spoiled the rest of the music for me. I didn't seem to notice the music changing much because the drum beat didn't change and that was all I could hear. I guess I am kinda sensative to certain sounds. Well, thats why I like Behemoth and Nile so fast, godly fast drums. But its not just speed, George Kollias of Nile is one of the best drummers I have ever heard when it comes to drumming to fit the music perfectly, and that is not an easy task for a band with riffs as complex as Nile. Another thing, this guy doesn't get a damn break, I almost feel sorry for him when I listen to Cast Down The Heretic, I couldn't imagine drumming that fast for that long, but most of all, remembering every damn beat! It's like the drums don't stay with the same exact beat for more than 5 seconds, or ever repeat later in the song, so how in the balls does he remember all that for every song and play it live all the time? As far as Inferno from Behemoth, I think I can say the same for him, except he is even faster.
Well I kinda went off track, but my point is, for all those reasons, to my ears, a drummer needs to be human for me to fully appreciate it.

Yeah, I hear what your saying. I think for me, that pickiness I have for ambience and mood got me to where I really didn't care how it was arrived at nearly as much as the literals of what could come out of a person's head melodically. Repetitions something that while I'm not all into it for its own sake I tend to have little trouble with it if I like what's getting repeated. I'm a big texture listener so texture and kinetics getting twisted, gnawing, peeling off and flying sideways, it does something for me thats very kinesthetic. Especially good sickbass (that dark synthy low-end), its like a full-body massage practically and when you've got a really illed out a real chilling melodic intro, a really good moment of "we're f'd" from a sci fi, action, or horror movie, and it sets me off in a way that gives me mad chills. From what your saying though it really sounds like you get that thrill out of watching the band, watching the chemistry, the athleticism and push on ones own physical and mental potential that goes out there - I've appreciated that myself but in the end it still came down to my pickiness about vibe and mood. Still like Dime's guitaring, still think its ill that the drummer of Godsmack can do what he can or the amount of octaves that Chino from Deftones can hit but I still get far more hung up on whats delivered, how it sounds, the specific mentality and internal emotions shed out on it (and while Dime and Chino can deliver from both angles its still rare that I can find both simultaneously in a performer or musician).

I think I understood like, half of that.
You see, I just don't have such a broad vocabulary and I am ret*d when it comes to describing things and coming up with the right words, so its hard for me to relate, not being able to explain and all.
Sometimes I think I am too picky, despite the range of bands that I like that seems to be unheard of anywhere else, such as KoRn being my favorite band and Nile being second. I can't say what kind of music I like, besides metal, but metal is a very broad category. All I can really say is I like music, I like good music, I like what I like, and thats about it. All the while I was reading your response, all I can think if is Ruins by Nile. That is one of those songs that can make me feel like, well I don't know, you would be better at describing that. But it seems like a parallel, like my version of your music I guess. Its my favorite instrumental song. One thing I love about Nile is how brutal and heavy they could be, and then how melodic and (some other word) and they can switch between the two rapidly or blend them. One thing they are the best at is ending songs. Like Sarcophagus, The Essential Salts, Invocation of the somethin something, sometimes I just wanna FF through those songs just to hear the ends. Anyway, eh, I forgot what I was talking about in the first place.
Oh yeah, I liked Dimebag too, but even when he was alive, I would have still said Jeff Loomis is the best guitarist alive. I saw him play The River Dragon Has Come live recorded from an audience member, but it was probably the best quality live fan video I ever saw. Anyway, Warrel f****d up the lyrics in one part and he announced it to the audience and they all cheered, I thought that was pretty funny, but other than that his singing was perfect. But the solo, probably like the best recorded solo I ever heard, when Loomis played the solo, it sounded even better than it did on the album, which I didn't even know was possible!
They have some riffs that sound better than most solos I've heard. Like in This Godless Endeavor, in the middle Loomis plays one of the most complex and (some other word) riffs in history.
So anyway, yeah.

Yeah, well, my route with it isn't the best either - there's something to be said of being able to say something like what I'm trying to in layman's terms but I'm really not THAT good.


Sometimes I think I am too picky, despite the range of bands that I like that seems to be unheard of anywhere else, such as KoRn being my favorite band and Nile being second.[/quote]

I like Korn at least, we've got one thing in common there. Nile, I'll have to check em.



Well, again, communications only as good as its ability to actually send an idea without getting scrambled. I've had plenty of times where I've explained a sound, people can't understand what I'm saying for the life of them, then when I do play it for em "Wow, its literally what you said" - well that really didn't do any good without the backup so evidently...I really don't know, words usually just get in the way I think.



Yeah, and when your on a creative streak you can't be afraid to try something new even if its lighter than what you thought you'd do in the past - as long as its really striking a good emotional chord and you really feel like your sending something of yourself out there its gold, everyone else can just get over it .



Sounds like something I could listen to for pointers, usually its the intros and breakdowns that I'm used to hearing most people throw most of their creativity at.



Yeah, complexity is where its at. For me its not so much the speed of delivery but the difference of tilt you can put on a track in terms of mood, where it takes you mentally, and its why I tend to like really slipped out sounds - when people really dive off on that its like they're really hitting something transcendental like part of their mind is really able to reach outside of the reality that we know and tap into something far more grand, epic, and generally timeless as well - when you get a sense of a really deep and heavy melodic lick that sounds like it could simultaneously be a sound of now and a melody written by someone in some ancient civilization like 10,000 years ago its ridiculous how much it moves you (hehe, yeah, and this is me going off topic and leaving everyone like "Widji-whah?!")

Eh, theres too many things to respond to at once, I feel like, I don't know, nervous and uncomfortable, like claustrophobic. Sorry but I'm just gonna talk randomly now.
Um, so anyway, I'm not sure if you would like Nile. I mean, its always good to try out different things, you might find something you really like, but well, I don't know. Frankly, I don't know what other Nile fans like about them, but I feel something when I listen to them. Its not just fast heavy music, there is so much thought put into it, I am just astounded. Like their lyrics, not only do they write their songs in a way that nobody talks in modern society, using words like thou and thy and ending words with eth, but most of their lyrics sound like they are taken directly from ancient Egyptian text, even sometimes using ancient Egyptian words and chants.
Its like on the outside they are a brutal, technical death metal band, but under the surface they are much more.
Eh, well, I got more to say about them, but I talk about Nile too much already.
The thing is, almost everything I say about Nile can be said for Behemoth.
Everything about Behemoth is unlike anything I've ever heard in music.
I think my favorite Behemoth track, The Reign Of Shemsu-Hor, is a good example of their genius and originality. I like when music has a lot of background noise that I can't distinguish easily, like atmospheric stuff, it makes the music more interesting, it holds my attention easier. Nile and Behemoth do that like crazy.
The only place I can think of to hear that Behemoth track is on my playlist on my myspace page. So click here and scroll down a little to check it out if you want to. That Nile song, Ruins, is on there too. Maybe the songs will speak for themselves and my words wont have to do it.

BTW, its just funny - I know I'm not bi-polar or anything but I can really waver a lot on how much I like something, one day think it was pretty solid the next day I could think it sucks and seriously wonder what's going on with my head. This set, while I still don't think its horrible, it still doesn't hold a candle to a lot of the other sets I have in a lot of ways. It does have some pretty good tracks that start maybe 24 or 25 minutes in and go through the first hour, a few more in the second hour, but there are a lot of reall weak tracks toward the front (first track isn't bad but there are a few after that where I was really wondering "I wrote a thread about this on WP, what was I on?").

Uh, what are you talking about?
Whats a set?

That link I posted, truth be told the more I listen to it the more I can pick out maybe just a handful of good tracks and the rest I'd pitch. I was wondering what kind of mood I was in that had me want to post that. I have *much* better stuff I've sent links to in the "What are you listening to now?" thread.

Speaking of what am I listening to now . . .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB4rBJL4tiY[/youtube]
I am absolutely obsessed with this song after the 2:30 point, I've been listening to the last 2 minutes of the song over and over for the past half hour.

Tried listening to it but Youtube was working a little too slow, I'll have to try tomorrow when my internet is a bit more up to speed.


BTW, if your a bit more deah-and-destruction with it this has a lot more in the way of good tracks. There is a space between I think 11 min and 18 that I chopped, track 3 kinda sucks and I think it was just her calling in a favor for a friend. The rest is some really sick biz though.

http://www.djskandalus.com/skandalus-th ... eiling.mp3

Uh, do you know what death metal is?