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MikeH106
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26 Apr 2008, 12:52 pm

This poem expresses how I feel about Christianity. It is not a poem about God, but who God might be. How can I have faith in a deity who might really be this mean? I wrote it after three years of nightmares and retching. There are twelve stanzas, and every line has intended meter.

Now he won't be able to baby us about sexual selection!

God Must Not Be Pitiless

My religion was ruined by pranks and punks
At the time I did not understand it fully
And while we are thankful to God our Father
We must also defend against God the Bully.

The Bully made man in the interest of pleasure
He made us with siblings and fathers and mothers
But when he realized his plan he was stricken with woe
For he could not create one without creating all others.

He observes the appearance of his fish for their quality
Finding only in strength what he feels to be sacred
While he exalts and champions and praises the strong fish
The Bully throws out the weak fish in hatred.

He makes the less lovely look so self-absorbed
You may not believe me, but for God it's a cinch
He arranges misfortunes to happen in sequence
And when you blow up, you look like the Grinch.

To win others' hearts, they try harder and harder
They lift to gain muscle; they run to be thinner
But the trial aforementioned sparks howls of laughter
For none of it matters; the gene is the winner.

He plays with their boredom and tempts them with drugs
To give them a manner he'd surely condemn
It makes them resentful and foolish and strange
So he can point and say, Hey, look, it's THEM.

And while as creations we're born as a total
Our species this Bully has no qualm curtailing
He attributes the shapes of our bodies to choice
As he does also succeeding and failing.

We must gouge out our eyes and chop off our limbs
We must be sad to be happy when the happy turn sad
Worst of all, he prepares us a furnace of fire
To cook us forever if we make him mad.

Look back on the era to which we've adapted
He was your master, and you were his slave
He'd bore a hole in your ear and track where you fled
Now is your chance to stand up and be brave.

He yells with a thundering, reproachful voice
The sound of his word leaves unbearable pain
To conclude it, he'd tell you you'd ALWAYS BE SAAAAAD
An act upon which we must end his cruel reign.

He thinks he can scare us with threats of damnation
He thinks he's persuasive with nightmares and signs
But we'll not be content 'till the freaks can be happy
And we'll not follow doctrines 'till the Light of Truth shines.

I have read the Parables; I gave them some thought
While I do not trust all, there are some I adore
Do not delight in others' misfortune
Acknowledge the real and be kind to the poor.

References:

Matthew 13:47
Matthew 18:7
Matthew 19:21
Luke 6:25
Exodus 21:5



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26 Apr 2008, 1:09 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
This poem expresses how I feel about Christianity. It is not a poem about God, but who God might be. How can I have faith in a deity who might really be this mean? I wrote it after three years of nightmares and retching. There are twelve stanzas, and every line has intended meter.

Now he won't be able to baby us about sexual selection!

God the Bully

My religion was ruined by pranks and punks
At the time I did not understand them fully
And while we give thanks to God our Father
We must also prepare for God the Bully.

This Bully made humans in the interest of pleasure
He made us with siblings and fathers and mothers
But woe to his sight as he had finished his plan
For he could not create one without creating all others.

He observes the appearance of his fish for their quality
Finding only in strength what he feels to be sacred
While he exalts and champions and praises the strong fish
The Bully throws out the weak fish in hatred.

He does all that he can to make them look evil
You may not believe me, but for God it's a cinch
He arranges misfortunes to happen in sequence
And when you blow up, you look like the Grinch.

To win others' hearts, they try harder and harder
They lift to gain muscle; they run to be thinner
But this very trial evokes his cruel laughter
For none of it matters; the gene is the winner.

He plays with their boredom and tempts them with drugs
To give them a manner he'd surely condemn
It makes them resentful and foolish and strange
So he can point and say, Hey, look, it's THEM.

And while as creations we're born as a total
Our species this Bully has no qualm curtailing
He attributes the shapes of our bodies to choice
As he does also succeeding and failing.

We must gouge out our eyes and chop off our limbs
We must be sad to be happy when the happy turn sad
Worst of all, he prepares us a furnace of fire
To cook us like Jews if we make him mad.

Look back on the era to which we've adapted
He was your master, and you were his slave
He'd bore a hole in your ear and track where you fled
Now is your chance to stand up and be brave.

He yells with a thundering, belligerent voice
The sound of his word leaves unbearable pain
In the end, he'd tell you you'd ALWAYS BE SAAAAAD
Upon such an act, we'd end his cruel reign.

He thinks he can scare us with threats of damnation
He thinks he's persuasive with nightmares and signs
But we'll not be content 'till the freaks can be happy
And we'll not follow doctrines 'till the Light of Truth shines.

I have read the Parables; I gave them some thought
While I do not trust all, there are some I adore
Do not delight in others' misfortune
Acknowledge the real and be kind to the poor.

References:

Matthew 13:47
Matthew 18:7
Matthew 19:21
Luke 6:25
Exodus 21:5


A-MEN, :cheers:

Hallelujah!



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26 Apr 2008, 2:39 pm

*rolls eyes*

One, The people he "bullies" he has reason too, something beyond us. When you can everything at once, future and past, he knows whats best.
Two, He's God. He can do whatever he want. If you had unlimited power, if anyone did, it would go to there head.



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26 Apr 2008, 3:47 pm

Blaming God for all your sorrows, hmm?

How very uninspiring. So God is to be blamed for everything you can't control, vis-a-vis your entire life. This is pathetic. Only fools and cowards do this. God does not hold you back from being strong or happy. You do. Complaining about how God's so mean is like complaining about hurricanes or earthquakes or anything you feel like. Take some ownwership of your life, man!

Did I mention that you sicken me?



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26 Apr 2008, 4:28 pm

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Blaming God for all your sorrows, hmm?


Not quite. You misconstrued the purpose of the poem.

First, I never once said God existed. Second, Christianity is more than a set of beliefs. It's also an ethical system with its own Dos and Don'ts. The poem reflects my feelings about that system.

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My poem, or me?


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26 Apr 2008, 10:34 pm

I'm thinking of rename the title from "God the Bully" to "God Must Never Be a Bully." Do you think that would be fairer?

My brother just commented on this stanza:

We must gouge out our eyes and chop off our limbs
We must be sad to be happy when the happy turn sad
Worst of all, he prepares us a furnace of fire
To cook us like Jews if we make him mad.

I need you to be honest: how did the last line of this stanza come across? I don't want anyone to get the impression that I think Jews should be cooked, which I do not. But he insisted that I made it sound that way.

I've already made some minor changes.



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27 Apr 2008, 6:07 am

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You write a poem about God the Bully yet you say you don't believe in God? Kinda messed up. Your poem sickens me, and I don't think I miscontrued anything. Are you gonna backpedal on everything now? As a Christian, I take offense to this poem. Are you serious about Christianiy yourself? This poem was very offensive and very anti-Christian, and don't tell me it's not.

Cook us like Jews ... very nice.



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27 Apr 2008, 6:23 am

slowmutant wrote:
You write a poem about God the Bully yet you say you don't believe in God?


I never said I didn't believe in God. I just never claimed his existence. There's a difference.

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Kinda messed up. Your poem sickens me, and I don't think I miscontrued anything.


I just made the effort to explain why you did misconstrue it. Now it's your turn.

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Are you gonna backpedal on everything now?


No.

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As a Christian, I take offense to this poem. Are you serious about Christianiy yourself? This poem was very offensive and very anti-Christian, and don't tell me it's not.


I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought I was being fair in stanzas 1 and 12.

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Cook us like Jews ... very nice.


Fine, I'll change it. I don't want you to go to Hell.

I also changed the title.


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27 Apr 2008, 6:32 am

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I never said I didn't believe in God. I just never claimed his existence. There's a difference.


So you believe in God, but not in His existence .... how is that supposed to make sense?!

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I just took the effort to explain why you did misconstrue it. Now it's your turn.


I expressed my opinion. You disagree with my opinion and say I miscontrued in an attempt to discredit me & my opinion. This is very un-cool.

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I thought I was being fair in stanzas 1 and 12.


Your idea of fairness is perhaps not universally shared. And this poem did not address the Gospels at all. Have you even cracked open a copy of the Bible?



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27 Apr 2008, 6:50 am

After this post, I'm going to stop responding to you.

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So you believe in God, but not in His existence .... how is that supposed to make sense?!


I didn't say I believed in God. There are three sides you can take on any issue:

Proponent / Skeptic / Opponent

In our case, if a proponent is religious, the opponents are atheists and the skeptics are agnostic. I'm a skeptic.

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I expressed my opinion. You disagree with my opinion and say I miscontrued in an attempt to discredit me & my opinion. This is very un-cool.


Whether someone has been blamed is a matter of fact, not opinion.

In debate, restating an unsupported claim over and over is called argumentum ad nauseum and is very un-cool.

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Your idea of fairness is perhaps not universally shared. And this poem did not address the Gospels at all. Have you even cracked open a copy of the Bible?


I not only have a Bible, I have the smallest one in the world -- it fits right in your pocket. It's called the World Pocket Bible. And if you read the whole poem, you'll see that I reference the Gospels at the bottom.


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27 Apr 2008, 7:10 am

OKay, H106.

You can split hairs with the best of them. You waffle like a pro, and are wishy-washier than Charlie Brown himself. You shoud run for federal office. You know how I feel about that poem, but I'm man enough to let it go. I'll agree that you in fact have what coud be the World's Smallest Bible. To keep this argument alive, I'd have to be the world's smallest person.



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27 Apr 2008, 9:32 am

I also want to remind everyone that debate isn't like football. It's supposed to be a friendly and cooperative exchange of ideas. When done properly, the skeptic is never insulted for being "wishy-washy like Charlie Brown." In fact, some of the greatest philosophers who ever lived were skeptics.


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27 Apr 2008, 10:07 am

Debate can get personal. It can get political. It can get rough. Hilary Clinton would not be doing what she does if she were
thin-skinned.



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27 Apr 2008, 10:22 am

Or nicer.



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27 Apr 2008, 10:24 am

Football is an EXTREMELY rough game.

I just realized that. :!:



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27 Apr 2008, 5:08 pm

Isn't this poem simply meant to construe the contradictory message that the Bible gives?

God is perfect - if he is perfect he doesn't have to change. So why does he go from the Old Testament Reputation to the New Testament Reputation...?

You fundies have it all wrong, and are embarrassing yourselves horribly.

Is this poem, form a non-believer, reasonable? Of course it is - the inconsistencies in the Bible as they relate to the definition of perfection ALONE are well covered in any philosophical text, for the most part.

And let us not forget that some would cajole us with speeches about how loving and merciful the Christian God is, and yet turn around and beat us with the idea of the vengeful God, who will send you to hell for a trespass of a finite length, and leave you there for an eternity.

This poem was well written, if a little naively stated, and you are just annoyed because it does not fit with your ideas and concepts of who and what God is.

You can't prove God because Faith, by definition, is Blind. By acting as you have in this string, you have kind of proven the God the bully point - not that God is truly a bully, or that he isn't, or that he even exists, but that people would use the idea of a higher power to enslave and judge and, yes, bully people.

For shame...

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