My Idol has fallen from the pedestal

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21 Sep 2008, 3:56 pm

This may sound silly, but I have admired, and avidly perused the work of the murder mystery writer, Anne Perry for awhile. How I never knew of her background, I don't know. But yesterday, I was checking out a website about her, for the first time, and discovered that she is a convicted murderer. 8O

Now, I feel weird about her. And when I read about the conditions surrounding the murder, they made me feel even worse. If it had been self defense, I would have felt differently. And the fact that she was a teen-ager, when she did this, makes me think about that movie, "The Bad Seed."

Silly, I know. But I am really, deeply affected by this. :(


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21 Sep 2008, 4:05 pm

I've seen that movie Heavenly Creatures. I didn't realise she'd gone on to become a writer.

All my idols have feet of clay. I think I've finally stopped idolising people.



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21 Sep 2008, 4:32 pm

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I've seen that movie Heavenly Creatures. I didn't realise she'd gone on to become a writer.

All my idols have feet of clay. I think I've finally stopped idolising people.


I thought I had stopped, too. Maybe I should check out the movie, and see what I think.


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21 Sep 2008, 5:11 pm

aw it's not that good, maybe a 6 out of 10 for me. It was an early film for whatsername (Titanic's female lead) and also for the director who also went on to be famous (might be the Lord of the Rings guy, can't remember).



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21 Sep 2008, 5:23 pm

I don't really have an Idol. I see people as (I think) they really are: just normal people with faults and frailties like all others. I do, however, look up to how well someone does in a certain area.

Yes, she did have a coloured history, however without it she may not be the writer she is now. (That sounds bad considering the situation... but I have no other way to put it.)

Her writing is quite admirable, but she is human. We all are... as fortunate or unfortunate as that may be...


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21 Sep 2008, 5:51 pm

Actually, I quite liked Heavenly Creatures.

I can understand where you're coming from.

I used to really like H.G. Wells but then I found out that he was one of the major voices behind the Eugenics movement.

Wikipedia wrote:
In 1904 he discussed a survey paper by Francis Galton, co-founder of eugenics, saying "I believe .. It is in the sterilisation of failure, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies."


and he had lots of affairs....

dunno if I like him as much now - not sure if it was what I found out about him or just Tom Cruise who spoiled War of the Worlds. :D



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21 Sep 2008, 7:17 pm

Arthur C Clarke is supposedly a pedophile.



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21 Sep 2008, 8:00 pm

gbollard wrote:
Actually, I quite liked Heavenly Creatures.

I can understand where you're coming from.

I used to really like H.G. Wells but then I found out that he was one of the major voices behind the Eugenics movement.

Wikipedia wrote:
In 1904 he discussed a survey paper by Francis Galton, co-founder of eugenics, saying "I believe .. It is in the sterilisation of failure, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies."


and he had lots of affairs....

dunno if I like him as much now - not sure if it was what I found out about him or just Tom Cruise who spoiled War of the Worlds. :D


Glad you understand. It shouldn't matter, about her past, but strangely, I've been feeling bad about for nearly 24 hours, by now. I guess its just my obsessive way. And, I think that Tom Cruise spoiled "War of the Worlds" for me, as well.

I felt the same way, when it was said that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile.


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21 Sep 2008, 11:15 pm

hartzofspace wrote:
I felt the same way, when it was said that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile.


Arrgh!

Don't go saying that... I like his work.

It wasn't something proven was it?



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21 Sep 2008, 11:27 pm

aw I don't know that Carroll was. Arthur Clarke yeah, but Lewis Carroll...it's a different era, in Carroll's day taking naked photos of children wasn't dirty, since both children and nudity were 'pure'. I don't believe anything other than that took place with Carroll, he had a kind of crush on 'Alice' apparently, but uh I just don't think that counts as pedophilia.



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22 Sep 2008, 2:16 am

I would feel the same way about it.

In a way you need to separate the art from the artist sometimes. Some of the greatest weirdos or creeps produced some of the finest artworks. I dont know why I even bought it, but I have a copy of the famous "Lie" album by cult leader Charles Manson (the guy who serves a life sentence for setting up the famous Tate murders). As repulsive the man may be, some of his songs are not even that bad when you try to ignore his non-musical acts for a second.

But I think it is normal to feel differently about a person you idolised and then suddenly appears to not be who she seemed to be. But this doesnt mean you cannot enjoy her arts anymore.


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22 Sep 2008, 3:53 am

I can relate to how your feeling Hartzofspace.
I am an avid follower of Pro Wrestling and am/was a huge fan of Chris Benoit, a very well known, respected and influential wrestler who last year murdered his wife and his 7 yr old son before killing himself. While these actions absolutely appal me and I understand they far outweigh anything he achieved in his professional career, I still admire everything he did in the ring and watch some of his old matches on DVD from time to time. Is this morally wrong?, or is it possible to seperate the performer from the murderer and admire one aspect of his lifes history while simultaneously loathing another?


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22 Sep 2008, 10:23 am

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I would feel the same way about it.

In a way you need to separate the art from the artist sometimes. Some of the greatest weirdos or creeps produced some of the finest artworks. I dont know why I even bought it, but I have a copy of the famous "Lie" album by cult leader Charles Manson (the guy who serves a life sentence for setting up the famous Tate murders). As repulsive the man may be, some of his songs are not even that bad when you try to ignore his non-musical acts for a second.

But I think it is normal to feel differently about a person you idolised and then suddenly appears to not be who she seemed to be. But this doesnt mean you cannot enjoy her arts anymore.


I agree. I'm a huge fan of Michael Jackson, and look how he turned out. It doesn't stop me from enjoying his music, though.

I think people need to stop idolizing celebrities, because they're just as imperfect as we are. They're just more talented in some ways.



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22 Sep 2008, 2:26 pm

gbollard wrote:
hartzofspace wrote:
I felt the same way, when it was said that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile.


Arrgh!

Don't go saying that... I like his work.

It wasn't something proven was it?


That's why I phrased it, that it was said. I have loved his books since I was 8 years old, and since there is no real proof that he is a pedophile, I continue to love them.


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22 Sep 2008, 4:35 pm

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I agree. I'm a huge fan of Michael Jackson,


If we assume for a minute that the courts found the correct verdict and that MJ actually is innocent...

(yeah, maybe it's a stretch but who knows how the media manipulate these things)....

Then....

A. What has Michael Jackson ever done that's wrong to anyone?
B. How must he be feeling when the world media (and everyone - down to the "man on the street") is wreaking his life and reputation.



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22 Sep 2008, 4:48 pm

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Arthur C Clarke is supposedly a pedophile.


So was the guy who wrote Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll.

Fallen Idols? I don't have any, except maybe Piers Anthony.

Piers Anthony is one I think might also have pedophilic tendencies, especially after I read his book 'Butterfly,' where he has an afterword defending the main character's act of having sex with a young girl who seemed to 'want it.'

Pardon me while I vomit. I used to really like Piers Anthony's books, too. Now I won't touch them.


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