DataSage’s Alpha Male Guide to Meeting Women (JULY UPDATE!!)

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Oh, I do lots of puns when I can and like guys who do puns too but can't act like somebody I'm not. The guy in the video annoyed me because he acted like such a berk.

God, that's fun. A month or so ago, totally on a whim, I got these two girls with that stupid trick where you ask them if they can touch their elbows behind their backs. "Keep trying! Almost there!"

I couldn't NOT laugh at that, and I ended up explaining what was going on. Then I said, "But seriously, can you do it?" and they BOTH TRIED AGAIN.

I almost pissed myself.

Good work, btw. Seems you're into the "fun" part of the dating game rather than the "agony and humiliation" part.

One thing about me is that I really really hate that she didn't introduce her friends. Screams "spoiled b***h" to me. Women who are used to having everything handed to them have never needed to develop a personality. She also seems a bit flaky, and her default mode is "generalized entitlement". I wouldn't spend that much time and effort on her, myself. I'm not saying to get rid of her or anything, just keep steering the good ship YOU away from the rocky shoals of One-Itisland. Date some other girls too, maybe she'll start putting a little effort into your interactions.

If this is the dating game, i want nothing to do with it. i'd rather go without sex for the rest of my life. to thine own self be true.

I can see why it'd scream "spoiled b***h" for girls to do that (I'll start noting that), but I don't think that's the case with her. In my case, I knew 10-20 friends of hers would come over and join us for lunch, and still bugged her into introducing me to her friends (I don't think most people would want to go through that many introductions and have them spread out that much). Made a big deal about shaking their hands too. I am curious, who do you introduce first, your friend to the girl, or the girl to your friend (so would it be "friend this is girl, girl this is friend" or "girl this is friend, friend this is girl?")



I so far just plan to use her as a stepping stone (yes, that sounds bad, but I can't practice for the one without having someone to practice on) so I know how to be an active participant in group conversations.

Absolutely. Good to hear intelligent, honest people.
Don't be put off by the fact that this thread was stickied!

I used to say: "Why take all that trouble to be with a shallow b***h I can't relate to in the first place if I could get the exact same thing by paying cash (if I wanted to)?"
It took me an insane amount of time to meet my girlfriend - needless to say I went through a lot of pain before that - but both me and her give this kind of rules the finger; we enjoy a special kind of happiness knowing we are free from all this crap.

In the case of a large group intro, I would say, "Hey guys, this is XXXXX." With such a large number of people, it isn't practical for one-one intros, it would take forever.

And for the second question, I would say that it would depend on who is more important to you. For example, if I was with a long term girlfriend (yeah right) who I cared about, and a guy I sort of know from work comes along, I would say to her, "Girlsname, this is Guysname from work".

If I was with a new girlfriend and we ran into a good guy friend of mine, I would focus my attention on him, because he has earned it, and she does not mean as much to me. I would say, "Friendsname, this is Girlsname."

I did it before her group came... and her group didn't come all at once.
Bugging her into introducing me to her friends was a bit awkward since we had a conversation going on and couldn't really determine the best time for the introductions (part of the learning process). Still fun to be able to have her talking about liking being in control (she was in college to become a manager) and saying that I was in control since she'd introduce me to another friend of hers that had just sat down (which she did! ).



I take it you'd only add "Girlsname, this is Friendsname" if they were both equally worth your attention (and you felt like subtly pointing that out)?

Never thought it that far out! I'd generally like to facilitate a connection between the two so everyone would be comfortable, kind of like strategy over tactics, get me? If I care about only one of them a lot, I just leave it at the intro and let them deal with it.

I always like to keep an idea of what the big picture is, because I am quite prone to getting lost in the details. It would be something like mentioning an interest or quality they both share, and letting them strike up their own rapport once I got the ball rolling.

One more thing...

WHOOOPWHOOOPWHOOP POWER SEEKER ALERT POWER SEEKER ALERT

Tom Leykis is a little b***h, but he does have a good trick. Use Tabasco sauce to kill the sperm in a used condom before you chuck it.

When you're starting out and getting serious in this game, remember that women can smell AS a mile away. There are crazy co-dependent women who will try and run your life and dominate you, and you'll end up like every fat loser sitcom dad with the b***h wife. As I said in the other thread, there are women who get pregnant on purpose with an easily exploited man's sperm.

A girl I knew from this summer had "neglected" to get her Depro shot, and was having unprotected sex every night with a loser douche that worshiped her. She kept talking about how she had to settle down and find a husband, time was running out for kids. She was 18. He had never had a job in his life, and lived in a tent on government land. Yeah. She was going to be a cop, btw. Women are encouraged to be cops, you know, to balance out the numbers, because that's what a police force is there for. Did you know that my IQ is too high to get into police college? Did you know that women cops are twice as likely to shoot someone? Did you know they don't have to pass the same fitness tests as men? Did you know they don't have to lift a friggin finger on the job because the men do all the work for her, AS USUAL?

Every time you see those horrid monstrosities called "developments" called Pine Ridge Meadows or Lake Creek Mountain Esker where everything looks all the same, and all the houses have a Japanese Maple out front that will eventually drip sap all over the 2025 equivalent of a Rav4, while chocolate-and-Cplus-smeared kids with names like "Mason" and "Dakota" are chased around by spread-ass women with bobbed hair full of blonde highlights bugeye sunglasses and stonewash denim jackets who buy strollers and other mommy accessories so they can brag about them to all the other glorified prostitutes just like them and demand their kids come back here "THIS INSTANT", I want you to remember one thing:

THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD.

If she isn't the type to salvage a condom from the trash to get herself pregnant, no big deal. If she is, well, let's just say the ol' taco's going to be muy caliente for a while.

Eww! That's sick. There are decent women out there and I resent being tarred with the same brush as the women you describe and so would most other women I know.

Next time, instead of a dozen different caveats and mentions of this being a certain subset or profile, I'll put two dozen.

You tarred yourself. Not me.

No, I didn't. You did. We're not all the same. That's the point I'm making. Would it be very nice for somebody to say "you aspies are all the same" or "you (racial group or social group) are all the same"? This is just the same kind of thing.

No, you're a poo pants.

I don't agree with you there. Yes, Caution's usually good, but no, she didn't "tar" herself. The girls that want to get pregnant to have a husband are the minority. If you want to show her how much you don't trust people, go ahead and do your "precautions" in front of her. I wouldn't. If I really thought she might do that, I'd only have sex at my place and do the "precaution" as she left (as you can tell, I can plan for small details and have the ability to view people in the worst possible way. Thank God I don't act like people do what I think they can do).



I agree with you there except for stuff that involve our greedy genes copying themselves into the next generation. Is it "bad" for me to say "all women want to have the best husband and the most attractive babies in the world?"

I don't think you or I can truthfully say "I'd never have sex with you even if you were the last person on earth" to any opposite sex human, because our genes have evolved to the point where the urge to procreate would be too strong to ignore (even if both of them are gay. The guy would eventually get some ass, then the girl would convince the guy to not be greedy, or the girl would persuade the guy that the normal way is at least as good as the gay way and she'd do it at her most fertile time).

I also don't think you can truthfully say "I'd hate laughing as some very confident and unselfconscious leader makes fun of me" until you have actually experienced it and even when you do, I don't think you can truthfully say "I'll never like that type of person," because those traits were desirable for our ancestors (and have been evolving to make you want that guy until the invention of the condom).




To support my claim that evolution has supported those traits until the invention of the condom I will tell you what happened to the genes of women of childbearing age if they were known as whores.

They died.

They died because their host died. The host died because the host's mates left them for another woman and didn't feed them when they couldn't get enough berries for themselves (because their baby was almost ready to pop out of their belly). Nowadays, condoms and big cities solve the problem associated with being considered a whore (she can choose to not have babies and she can go to a different town and nobody would know she's had sex).

The same dire consequences happens to the genes of the man who gets rejected. All the women in the clan know he was rejected, so they classify him as unattractive and he dies without passing on his genes. That's why guys avoid rejection. That's also why I won't worry about rejection. So what if the 600 women in the dorms or 6000 women that go to my college reject me? There will always be another one for me to succeed with (succeed with, not "score" with. I'm not in a competition with anyone).

If you want to read more about the three main theories I used, they are:
The greedy gene theory- Genome.
The evolution theory and the laughing- David DeAngelo.
The desirable traits: confidence, unselfconscious, and leader of men- Mystery.

I personally like David's method more than Mystery's, but I still use parts of the Mystery Method.

Last edited by Mystic on 19 Nov 2007, 7:04 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Couldn't disagree more. This goes against everything every guru says. This goes against the entire concept of social value and social proof. This flies in the face of the whole of evolutionary psychology. I posted this elsewhere already, but it's good to have in this thread as well:

http://www.halfsigma.com/2007/01/evolutionary_bi.html



Girls are always after each others' boyfriends.

Whoops, I got caught up trying to just finish wording my post to think straight. I changed "
The same dire consequences happens to the genes of the man whore. The guy gets one session of sex, most likely doesn't get her pregnant, and then doesn't get anymore sex since none of the women in the tribe can trust him
." so it now reads "
The same dire consequences happens to the genes of the man who gets rejected. All the women in the clan know he was rejected, so they classify him as unattractive and he dies without passing on his genes
." Thanks for catching my mistake Kurtz.

Yeah, it seemed a little odd, considering you're pretty knowledgeable on this stuff.

And I didn't respond to your other question:

I like Mystery because of his attitude: everything that makes women attracted to you makes you a better person. It may start off as "i just wanna get laid", but you need to be a person who can display their worth.

D'Angelo is good because I have this "heckler", teasing style of humour that all the kids laughed at, but the teachers all stomped on when I was a kid. I was really outgoing and stuff, always getting the lead in school plays and being the class clown, but a lot of those above me made me think I was a bad person for it (read: they wish they had said it, only they can be funny), which was a large part of my eventual social withdrawl. I was not allowed to be me. His ideas really let me be more comfortable in my own skin.

The anger of as*holes is the windsock of truth.

Another guy I like that I really related to was Mike Pilinski. His stuff really helped with that massive shame and guilt and generalized worthlessness I felt all the time. Take a look at his picture.

His approach is all about seeing the inner life of those around you, not only in women, but in yourself.

And the best is Neil Strauss. He really exemplifies what Alpha Male is all about. Personality. He's small, but has this inner ferocity that you just don't mess with. He'd rather be nice, but he's the first one over the wall once there's trouble, full steam ahead.

I have never paid for any of this stuff, either. It's all online in one way or another.

OH! I don't know why I haven't posted this yet! Check out Juggler in Seduction School, a BBC special on three guys getting a field workshop. What I like here is that all of these guys are great people, they just have no idea how to show it. I actually like the fat dude best, so much personality. I'll post the links rather than embed so it doesn't bog the page down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYn4-h3Cnk
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