Why do boys want good-looking girls?

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bla bla bla ....typical talk of an old man who's trying to picturing us that his generation was less shallow and our generation is all bad. Beauty didn't change dramatically since the past , Princess Nefertiti of Egypt is described as beautiful in the egpytian scripts and her statues tell us that she is beautiful according to our present standards. The statue of Achtarout ,the goddess of beauty and love in the Phoenician mythology , is a statue of a beautiful woman. Aphrodite , the goddess of beauty , doesn't look an ugly woman according to statues

Not a long time ago,Marilyn Monroe was considered one of the sexiest symbols of beauty. We can't say that she's ugly according to our 'present standards" , I am sure that zekmoe knows that very well.

It is known that obesity was considered a beauty in the medieval age , usually the ones with the "Beauty standards have changed during the Homo Sapiens history" theory ALWAYS use this wrong example.

In fact, there's no proof that men in the medieval age preferred obese women, there was one painter Peter Paul Rubens who used obese women as models for his paints , maybe he had some fetish for obese women but it doesn't proof the general preference of the men of his era.
Many other paintings by other painting disprove this theory:




do they look obese? NO


and this the painting of a spanish artist in the medieval era:



This painting was considered a symbol of beauty on its time

Does she look obese? Does she look ugly? No no


and this :





Are they obese? Are they ugly? no no

It's true that the beauty standards were that much different in the past? NO


It's true that these models didn't have fake big boobs but we can't say that we can't see their beauty.




As for zekmoe post, a lot of things changed since his times , in the early past , marriages were mostly based on arranged marriages and women were financially dependable on men , women didn't have the power of the sexual selection that they possess them now in the serial monogamy system. The woman was pressured by her family or by her financial need to pick a particular mate regardless of her instincts.
Nowadays, since women have restored their natural role in the natural selection , mating selection have returned in a great extent to its real natural rules , as it should be.


The ability of determining beauty was evolved in our DNA , it's not that subjective as zekmoe trying to picture it , a beautiful woman or man is usually seen beautiful by the greater majority of the people around them.

It never ceases to amuse me how many people assert the nonexistence of evidence for other people's positions when their experience in a field is clearly superficial at best. There are scientists who support the idea that beauty is simply a matter of selection which is wired for based on fertility etc. It could hardly be said that it is set in stone determined, but the hypothesis definitely exists. Why, I just typed "beauty fertility" into google scholar and the first article I got had an abstract containing:

Aha. But how do you explain, this?

(24,000 BC – 22,000 BC)

I will propose a refutation of this evidence later on

You might be to young to remember the 90's but they were dominated by Microsoft. Living in Seattle, I grew up on PC's. I have said it once and I will say it again Microsoft is more professional an specifically targets the business demographic not the college kids or the trendy scene. Bill Gates newest design is created to help restaurants for goodness sake.

PCs automatically back files up so in the case of freezing up or loss of power you will have all data saved. For an additional 3-400 dollars MAC will provide you with a time portal.

PCs are constantly updating thus I can get a fully loaded computer for 1k as opposed to a basic system for 1.5k.

Steve Jobs is an as*hole. Never met him but have grown up watching his interviews, reading about his business ethic, and enjoying PC's superiority. Truth is PC's are for the elite. Those who know, use Linix and a PC. If it was not for the I-Pod franchise MAC would not be here today.

In their defense MAC has far easier and just as efficient media designed software and dominates the market as far as user compatibility goes. Also you get what you pay for and they are by no means a bad company.


Easy, it gets you high. Caffeine is a wonderful drug. It amps you up and forces you to move. You receive a nice euphoric effect. Bitter after effects are nothing compared to a nice caffeine fix.




And finally little buddy here is your answer.

Social expectations + Biology = Why we do what we do.

Biologically:

Larger breasts = fertility

Hour Glass Figure = fertility

Socially: Obesity is out and fit n thin is in.

I am sure she is a fantastic girl. I have many Fat friends. But they are my friends and I would never date them. They are unattractive.

I work out 3-4 days a week. Why? To stay healthy, live longer, enjoy all of the amazing benefits.

To me fat "chicks" are disgusting. I find it very unhealthy. I am not saying bigger girls are "ugly" at all. In fact Scarlotte Johanson, Marylin Monroe, and Betty Page are all fantastically beautiful women.

What I am saying is watching as "fat people" in general eat another McDonalds burger or guzzle down their Circle K "Big Gulp" (containing three serving min) or anything else along those lines I become very, very, very disgusted.

It is one thing if my 5' 8" 130-145lbs ass eats a burger. I earned that right. But when that 200+ lbs woman decides to sacrfice health over glutony I say good riddence.

Diabetes isn't a disease its population control. Too much sugar is NOT HEALTHY.

Sorry didn't mean to go on a tangent.

Long story short:

When you are young it is all about IMAGE.

When you get older it becomes more about choosing who you associate with.

If you are happy chasing chubbies then have at it. As all my friends like to say "fat chicks need loving too"

-Zane

In those times (24,000 BC – 22,000 BC) only the ritch and wealthy could afford to sit on their asses and eat. Thus fat people were a sign on wealth and superiority.

They did not have Mc Ducks and Taco Hell. Just whatever was left after the farmers market.

Today fat people = lazy.

End of story. Its true. Working out gives you less stress, a faster metabolism, and an understanding of how truly horrible obesity is.

1) In those times, it was a hunter gatherer uber primitive society. It may be stretching it a bit, but speculations that they were rather egalitarian by the standards of any society we could compare them to which might involve a "wealthy" class exists. Then there's the fact that life was nomadic, there was no wheel, no domestic animals (save dogs maybe), and it's hard to picture anyone sitting on their ass.

2) Begging the question. The actual variation in human perceptions of beauty based on cultural conditioning is precisely what is in question here.

Nope. Since the dawn of man kind there has always been a top dog. And of course I can't prove it because I don't own a time machine. But any logical human being can see past and realize we (humanity) are not as complicated as we seem to think. (stupid inferiority issues)

PS: Who do you think Noah was?

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I don't think anybody living today can truly explain it. Never mind the body, what's happening to the head???

Who cares about 1 dog when there are 5 billion or so in total? You know where most of our ideas of 'top dog' come from? The 'alleged' top dog, most of the time. They control the weapons so we have to agree with their nonsense through to today where the control the media so anti-top dog ideas can't even exist. Top dog is an emporer with no clothes.

Yeah right on. I believe this also. I am a firm believer in individuality and promoting the idea of a new race "Humanity" as opposed to separating us all into categories and I believe people need to keep most of their "opinions" to themselves and instead nurture their spirits.

But I ask you this, if you were able to acumulate the means to provide an end. If you ManErg found the way to show us all the light and guide us into "elightenment". In short if you brought world peace to humanity. Wouldn't that make you top dog? Above everyone else and against all odds want it or not you would become top dog. There would be statues celebrating you and people would never forget your name...

Top dog has a bad rep. Lately our top dogs have been war mongers and greedy rich people.

All that aside, I still stick to my guns. Ancient times are not reliable enough to take for fact.

What we should do is allow individualism. I do not find fat women attractive. That does not mean I go out of my way to let them know this. It just means I believe in health over gluttony.

I have that right just like you all have the right to chubby chase.

-Zane

I remember well the history teacher explained about it at school, It symbolize fertility ,motherhood and nutrition (women's breeding functions) , breast and tummy are extra sized for that reason. She's not a goddess of beauty.

Diabetes I is caused mainly by genes.

I have a question to all guys and girls who don't believe that beauty detection is biologically-based:

When you got wet dreams or you have wet thoughts? Do you see unattractive/fat girls/skinny/shorty guys in your wet thoughts/dreams? Or you see some sexy individual?

Cold-blooded. Hey, I'm not attracted to chubby men either but how could you say that? That's sick.

Hmmm.... oddly enough my reasoning behind asking the girl I went to prom with had almost nothing to do with her physical appearance. It was more along the lines of her being as shy and socially inhibited as I am.... something that would have caused serious problems had it not been for her more talkative best friend.

I may still have the base biological attraction towards your stereotypically attractive girls. However then my logical side kicks in and reminds me that she probably won't understand a word of what I say, and certainly won't have any interest in my philosophical nature (unlike my prom date but that's not the point), two things any long term relationship requires. And in my opinion any relationship that can't last isn't worth having.

Hmm Why do girls want good looking boys?