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wobbegong
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30 Apr 2006, 6:17 am

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I think your relationship was just out of sync. Eventually you felt the same way as her - but it was too late.

I had one bf who asked me if I loved him and I said not right now but I'm open to the idea that I might sometime in the future. He got really pissed off - he thought love should be like in the movies - an instant love-at-first-sight both people know if they love each other all at once together thing. Love or passion has never ever been that way for me. I'm always out of sync.

There was that, and the way he decided to show affection by putting me down and criticising me - that showed me over time that I couldn't love him or be with him long term. He needed someone who was very insecure all the time and submissive and I wasn't. I admired his ability to organise a party people would actually show up to and enjoy. I think he thought I was hot or something. blech.



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30 Apr 2006, 6:17 am

Ermmm...'scuse me for stating the obvious but sex/pro-creation/populating the planet is actually what we're here for...

Loosen-up, have your own standards and morals, but have an open-mind about others too :)



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30 Apr 2006, 6:32 am

Enigmatic_Oddity wrote:
Your comment about gay pride being about having 'pants half-way down and crap' is ridiculous, grossly uninformed and something I find far more morally repugnant than the idea of 'f***-buddies'. You say you are not 'particularly' against homosexuality, but your words say otherwise. Don't be so quick to judge the sexual behaviours of others; as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (as does discrimination), most people would agree that it is fine.

Dude, all my gay friends are like that. They rip their clothes off at the slightest provocation. If you doubt that such behaviours are common among "scene" gay dudes, just visit a gay nightclub or two.

If you'd stop being such a reactionary butt-hole and making assumptions, you might not get so upset all the time.



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30 Apr 2006, 6:43 am

Gay pride parade:

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And modern trendy guys from Western nations: http://www.ratemybody.com/topguys_1.html

Of course there are similarities. Denying it due to some ridiculous need to get all defensive about this crap indicates that you feel some need for gay pride to be defended. I don't. I couldn't give a crap about it either way. I am simply capable of seeing obvious similarities.



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30 Apr 2006, 5:27 pm

Modern western sexuality views certain lifestyles in the context of "acceptable" and "unacceptable."
So by the definitions modern western sexuality has given us:

"Acceptable"
Guy + Girl
Guy + Himself
Girl + Herself
Guy + God
Girl + God

"Acceptable, but Borderline Unacceptable"
Girl + Girl
Girl + Girl + Guy
Guy + Several Girls

"Totally unacceptable"
Guy + Guy
Guy + Guy + Girl
Girl + Several Guys
Girl + Several Girls
Guy + Several Guys
Girl + Satan
Guy + Satan



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30 Apr 2006, 5:50 pm

Quote:
"Acceptable"
Guy + Girl
Guy + Himself
Girl + Herself
Guy + God
Girl + God

"Acceptable, but Borderline Unacceptable"
Girl + Girl
Girl + Girl + Guy
Guy + Several Girls

"Totally unacceptable"
Guy + Guy
Guy + Guy + Girl
Girl + Several Guys
Girl + Several Girls
Guy + Several Guys
Girl + Satan
Guy + Satan
[/quote]

I disagree, I think you'll find homosexuality is considered more acceptable than a threesome, regardless of the gender make-up of the group. Here, at least, homosexuality has gained a lot of acceptance except from the conservative right-wing Christian sector.
Lesbians also face an equal amount of discrimination, but due to the misinformed stereotypes that have sprung from popular culture, the discrimination is not so much from men, but from other women who feel uncomfortable and threatened. As I don't know anyone personally who has slept with Satan - unless you count Saddam Hussein on South Park - I can't comment on the acceptability of that.



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01 May 2006, 6:12 am

wobbegong:
That seems like a good explanation, I also believe that love, if it really exists as a special feeling, is not a thing that happens over a moment or a few days/weeks. For me it would take at the very least a month or two to "fall in love" or whatever :P
I tried the whole like, "crush-thing" but it never turned out any good -_-' That's why I have tried to not to rush things with any girl or so.
I also can't really stand too much commitment at once, which always seems to happen to me. Yeah *whine*, but that's almost the only thing I can complain about.

People should be able to take whatever moral stand that they want, without being discriminated. But if we say that, we could very well be saying that people shouldn't starve or be poor.
In my opinion, a f*ckbuddie or two is ok if you don't have a significant other (but they may be OK with it or something, I don't know).
Being "fast" or having really many f*ckbuddies is really just too much and being unsafe is very uncool. Then you've got absolutely no respect for the other people and you pretty much deserve the STDs and/or unwanted pregnancy. Too bad about the other people who get fooled though, I don't think most people have unprotected sex with any kind of slut if they knew he/she was sleeping around. Then they wouldn't know if they're having unprotected sex with just them or everybody else.

I for one felt really slu*ty because I had sex on the first date -_-;;
It was great... But it went against my morals or something, y'know?

That's just my opinion anyways.
Also, if you can spot any grammatical errors and/or spelling errors, let me know please, I always try to improve my english ^^

-Jonesh the Swede



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01 May 2006, 8:37 am

As much as that photo is supposed to be representative of gay pride, its not and is based around this ridiculous stereotype that all gay people are sexually promiscuous. That said, if you don't mean to offend people you should choose a better choice of words next time, especially in a discussion about morality.



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01 May 2006, 9:15 am

Enigmatic_Oddity wrote:
As much as that photo is supposed to be representative of gay pride, its not and is based around this ridiculous stereotype that all gay people are sexually promiscuous. That said, if you don't mean to offend people you should choose a better choice of words next time, especially in a discussion about morality.

You whinged about a comparison of appearance between a gay pride parade and modern trendy western youths. So I showed pictures of both. Obviously a picture of a gay pride parade does actually represent a gay pride parade. I said exactly what I meant.

And no, I have no intention of restricting my language because you or anyone else enjoys getting offended at things just so you can feel morally superior. And I don't approve of burning books either.



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01 May 2006, 3:51 pm

The only problem I have with western sexuality is the shunning of those who are bigger than skinny. They pretty much have it driven into their heads by a certain age that they're ugly, no one would want to be with them, and have this reinforced by clothing companies who make crap clothes in larger sizes. :evil:



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03 May 2006, 5:54 pm

Saraswathi wrote:
I disagree, I think you'll find homosexuality is considered more acceptable than a threesome, regardless of the gender make-up of the group. Here, at least, homosexuality has gained a lot of acceptance except from the conservative right-wing Christian sector.
Lesbians also face an equal amount of discrimination, but due to the misinformed stereotypes that have sprung from popular culture, the discrimination is not so much from men, but from other women who feel uncomfortable and threatened. As I don't know anyone personally who has slept with Satan - unless you count Saddam Hussein on South Park - I can't comment on the acceptability of that.


To my knowledge and from what I've seen male homosexuals are -way more- discriminated against than lesbians.
Lesbians have to put up with being socially ostracized and commented on behind their backs, but gay men have to put up with even worse- sexual harrassment, physical bullying, and in some cases, even attempts on their lives, just because they're gay.



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03 May 2006, 11:14 pm

TheOrangeMage wrote:
The only problem I have with western sexuality is the shunning of those who are bigger than skinny. They pretty much have it driven into their heads by a certain age that they're ugly, no one would want to be with them, and have this reinforced by clothing companies who make crap clothes in larger sizes. :evil:


The problem I have is when a person is called "skinny" by an overweight person, when this so-called "skinny" person is actually smack bang in the middle of the healthy weight range as determined by professional medical research.

"ALMOST 11,000 Australians die each year from heart disease and other illnesses linked to being obese or overweight, research shows."
-- http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19 ... l?from=rss



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04 May 2006, 12:02 am

Yupa wrote:
To my knowledge and from what I've seen male homosexuals are -way more- discriminated against than lesbians.
Lesbians have to put up with being socially ostracized and commented on behind their backs, but gay men have to put up with even worse- sexual harrassment, physical bullying, and in some cases, even attempts on their lives, just because they're gay.


I guess it's a regional thing. Cases of gay men murdered for their sexuality here are almost unheard of, but I'm aware of what has happened overseas and it's horrific. I don't think that the 'silent' discrimination such as gossip and social exclusion should be underestimated. People have taken their lives, both male and female, when a discriminatory social situation got beyond what they could cope with, and sadly it's not uncommon in teenagers. They're just as dead as the murder victim of a hate crime, but the former is not usually considered criminal.



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09 May 2006, 12:05 pm

Sexuality is too much emphasized in the Western world.It belongs into a stable marriage and should be practiced with much love.It is a huge misuge what is going on!



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09 May 2006, 3:26 pm

I think as our societal rules and morals are going out the window people are really just giving in and doing whatever the heck they want. I have no idea how it's gonna work out aside from the fact that we have lots of baby moms walking arround, more highschools are going to need extensive daycare programs, many of them will probably drop out, and this is all exactly what we need - more taxes while good jobs in many areas of the U.S. are getting harder to find. Yeah, people argue that contraceptive education is important but when your in highschool how cool or socially acceptable is it really to use a condom? Do most of them use it consistantly?

On the idea of f***buddies though a lot of my friends have one or two, funny thing is a lot of these guys are also ladeling out childsupport for a son, 2 sons, and sometimes there giving out almost more than they're bringing in with their jobs. That's how people would rather doing thing though (at least untill the complications hit them and even then it may not phase em), its just our culture as it stands.


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10 May 2006, 2:00 am

Scaramouche wrote:
Do you of you know people who have "f*ckbuddies"? Friends they shag? Not lovers, not boyfriends or girlfriends, not people they love; just f*ckbuddies. This seems to be very common these days. People have friends they shag. No emotional attachment, no meaning, no responsibility. Just a quick sexual fix whenever it's needed, or just for s**ts and giggles. They reduce something which can be a fantastic experience to nothing more than a mutual back-scratch. Why would anyone ever want to become a lover of such a person? Why take on the emotional weight and responsibilities? Why not just have them as a regular friend and get free sex too? Heck, is there any difference at all between such a person's friend and their supposed lover/boyfriend/girlfriend? What does a lover/boyfriend/girlfriend get that a f*ckbuddy doesn't?

What about the internet? Kids (I mean barely into puberty) dressing like hookers and showing off as much skin as possible just to get some extra internet friends or some extra points in some meaningless contest. I would guess everyone has seen enough user profile pages on websites to know what I'm talking about. The girls try to pretend they're women (that whole dressing like hookers thing), and the guys try to pretend they're in a gay pride parade (pants half-way down and crap like that). I'm not particularly against homosexuality, just saying that there are common behaviours for various groups.

What about dating in general? I know people who go out with a person for a while, shag, do whatever, then break up, meet a new person, start over again, break up, et cetera, ad infinitum... And they seem to think that such behaviour is normal, and that going a month without shagging some such nigh-stranger is abnormal. Almost like having a casual sexual partner is a simply accessory to the modern lifestyle, something to have all the time along with a purse, new shoes, and watching Survivor.

Now, I'm not disparaging sex. Sex kicks arse, and is loads of fun. However, in Western culture these days it is becoming nothing more than a meaningless common activity in the common person's life.


At my school, people follow this pattern a lot. Some people think that the union between a man and a woman isn't a very special thing that occurs between the two. I believe that you're supposed to be married before you have sex, since I'm a Christian and I believe in it as well. Another aspect of having sex only while married is because if you become pregnant, your husband will be less likely to leave you, and if he does, he owes you lots of money over the next 18 years. Anyways, yeah, it's tragic that sex is almost becoming like a casual handshake between couples in this day and age instead of what it used to be. I just figure that the people at school who do it very often and get pregnant, then the guy leaves and all that, then they both have to suffer the consequences of what they did.


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