What kind of married man is more attractive?

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I think I know where you are coming from here, and i do agree that a small amount of "manipulativeness" could help you, but I think you will have to be careful about this. If you come ac5ross as being manipulative, or if you are caught blatantly lying, it could all backfire on you.

Being manipulative subtelly is OK, doing it ovbiosuly is a no-no.

Hi Aspie_Chav. Now this is making more sense.

I can understand some more of what you're saying. The other people don't matter. Yes we live in an NT world, and somehow we have to tame ourselves so that we can function here, tough as that may be. Never compromise though. It's never worth compromising your principles. Yeah I know, be yourself. How many people in this thread have told you it's a good idea to lie? Why do you think that is?

We as Aspies have so much trouble just being who we are. Being something you're not is asking for trouble you can't foresee.

Good luck!

HI Mathogre, I believe when someone decides to be the opposite of being themselves, it is defined very crudely:
Some people are themselves with their friends and family, then when they are with NTs they artificially try to be another person altogether. This is very hard to do and very artificial.
The other approach is to change make change in all your life, even in front of you friends and family, so eventually it become second nature. Because who we are as a person is not static, we become that new person.

Aspie chav, one thing I have to say about NT's though, at least when your a guy - NT guys seem much easier to get along with and much quicker to respect a guy on the merits of who he is. I was just at the bar, chillin with my friends, chillin with the band (the guitarist who's a contracter and my friend's boss), and yet I somehow manage to, without doing a thing wrong or looking the slightest bit needy, get some really hard looks from women the second I open my mouth. Yeah, I've definitely observed that every aspie guy is different and some guys are just the opposit but it seems to hold pretty consistent at least for me that no matter what's done right or wrong, the guys care more about who you are while the the women read your alpha/omega stats like you're a walking baseball card and care way more about that stuff than any kind of loyalty or the quality of who you are as a person (and while some guys may diss you at first on gestalt they'll usually change up if they realize your cool - with women it's maybe 25% and it seems like its only the girls who give you the hardest gut reaction off the top who pull a u-turn if they realize you actually are cool).

You might be right a little bit, at work with two NT women, who like and respect me. But I don’t think the same applies to a cute borderline aspie girl who works in the office next door. One of the girls said ”what do you see in her, she is a bit of a drip” the other said she is always wearing the same clothes. I said, that I wouldn’t bother to wear different cloths if I wasn’t trying to fit in. I wouldn’t even bother to change my underwear for a week. They are both in a good relationship, but the competitive edge is still deeply rooted in woman.

My understanding about competition is, while men will compete in sports, hobbies and working environment, they will compete this way knowing that most woman will generally go for a winner at his field. Woman will generally just compete for a man, and so it comes down to putting down other girls.

Re pretending to be married, are you not embarrased/ashamed to admit that you intend to be dishonest ?

I do not see how you could claim that this is legitimate or excusable dishonesty. There is no valid reason for this dishonesty.

Absolutely, but I will get over it, guilt is not my number one demon at the moment, it can be squashed. I am a very honest person by nature, so it is easy to admit anything. Absolute honesty is a inflexible puts be at a disadvantage because faced with a social situation I mostly only tell the truth, while I liar has the flexibility of telling the truth or a lie to improve his social situation.

My bigger demon of cowardice and sloth, if you could say what I am doing is related to one or both of them then I would feel guiltier. But end if the day, what I am doing does not break any natural laws of evolution, my act is as innocent as any of mother natures creatures. The truth (the understanding it, not necessarily doing it) will truly set you free.

Well. I definitely agree that it'll take b---s. Update us though and let us know how you'd rate it after the fact, it would be interesting to see.

Even though this strikes me as absolutely horrible and wrong, I can't help but laugh. This is seriously evil.

If it works, I have to say that I feel sorry for the woman.

Then again, one has to seriously wonder about someone who'll sleep with a married man.


If I wanted sex so badly as to lie like that? I'd go find a prostitute. So much more honest on so many levels.
If you to be apreciated, pretending to be someone you're not I don't think is going to satisfy that need.

That is repugnant, and any woman that approaches you because of your deception is a whore. Why not tell them you have an incurable disease or some other heart wrenching BS? At least then your “dying” instead of being a lying/cheating sack of you know what. I truly believe the penalty for adultery should be public humiliation followed by a severe beating….

Is his idea that evil as compared to what's common practice in the NT world or are we just that innocent? From what I've seen in my own life and surroundings I'm thinking its the second but then again I've seen a lot of BS and known too many girls who did things to guys that made that look pretty modest. I think his idea is only getting on that edge if he's trying to mack on em with the ring on, otherwise if he's just going about his business and really acting like he's married, trying to put himself in the full-detail mindframe that he's married, and playing it like Mickey Briggs from Hustle then he's doing nothing worse than conning the type of women who, when you think about it, deserve it. If anything, if he does get a piece, he should probably leave a note in the morning that sayd - "BTW, I'm not married, you're *SO* gullible". She'd be furious, you might hear rumors about single guys wearing rings more often, and who knows, enough guys start doing that and all of a sudden women arround there don't wanna try getting in a married guy's pants for the challenge of it and start thinking that they'll start comming up with fake coins. My guess, especially since a lot women like that feel they're vastly superior to so many guys just because most guys don't know the grandeur of their brand of high deception - lol, being had by a single guy and even moreso an aspie would eat at them for years.

Believe it or not there are lots of women who do this and I've known em (if you don't believe me than I doubt you've really gotten that close with your NT friends to hear it all) - they're the types of girls who'll also attention-whore a guy who they think is gross or creepy just to feel special, flirt with someone just to scorn em if they get a positive response, and in general thinking of them getting theirs puts a smile on my face. One of my friends and her guy friend ran into this when her guy friend kept getting talked to by one of my friend's ex-wife's friends - he *wasn't even interested* and she'd just push her way inbetween them anytime they talked, try to pull him away for a second, all because she wanted his attention or thought he might have been getting on with her (My friend thought she liked him untill that girl's friend confided in her with respect to what she was doing). Women like that are the main reason on the female side of the fence why the early to mid-20's dating world is a lot less about starting relationships and more about people just f'ing with eachother's heads for s**ts and giggles. Corrupting human nature, I agree, is evil. Messing with one of the corruptors themselves and really burning em good though - that's quality .

You are probably right, it is not my nature to get back at woman who deserve it, but if I kill two things with one stone that’s got to be a good thing.



Didn’t consider the act to get an orgasm or anything like that, my medication killed my sex drive anyway, but a learning experience. The fact that I might come back knowing something that I wouldn’t otherwise know very interesting. What I do know might have a bearing on the relationships I have when I came home. It might shake up something about me I never knew before. Already, seeing these posts is a learning experience is a learning experience, I didn’t know that many people would have such a negative opinion of it compared to potentially more serious things, scientifically and logically I need to find out better why.



There is a scientific explanation for it. Until you understand this, the only thing that I have learned from you is your opinion based on a complex morality, which I don’t have a full understanding of.



I don’t believe in evil, but that a different subject altogether. I would like to briefly, talk about the complexities of Selective Morality, the unwritten law of prioritising one evil over another, possible lass evil one.

Lets take my holiday for example, I am going to fly to Turkey, I fly 3 times a year. The cost of flying has on the environment is very bad indeed. I own a 4x4 that consumes large amount of gasoline, it takes up two car-park bays because it is big and the neighbours cannot do anything about it legally. I waste large amount of food, which has a big cost to the environment, I leave my computer on all night simply because it takes too long to load up. I sleep with prostitutes, exacerbating the problem of immigration people trafficking and crime to the area. I have children outside of wedlock, who I do not see any more because the relationship is too weak to work.
Is all of this worse? If you still think it is then it isn’t by much, I tell thee. Personally I and most people would prefer to be lied to by a manipulative woman on a 7 day vacation then to have, a great whopping 4x4 parked over two carparking bays in front of you house 24-7.

This is something that I'm not really sure how to take.

As far as Adultary goes. If one makes a commitment to only have sex with one person, and then goes off and does so anyways, then all other things being equal they are the disgusting one.

If someone like that is looking, and they just happen to find someone who doesn't care about the ring, are they really that horrible?


If they get angry about it? They did it to themselves.


As far as the 'evil' comment goes? It was one made without a lot of thought. And should be taken as such. I'm leaning pretty strongly towards it not existing either.

Even still, I still have a pretty strong set of morals. I don't see it so much as holding me back, but that it makes me better. Anyone can lie. It takes someone that's really something that doesn't have to (not that I'm there yet).

And that isn't ment to be rude. There's also something to be said for being able to manipulate people too.

I am ın Turkey now, and I consıder ıt an educatıonal experıance. It ıs not over run by Brıts, ,well not ın the same why that London as many turısts. I wıll not be doıng the rıng approach, because there ıs other learnıng to be done and ıt would be very hard to monıtor my progress wıth ıf I add somethıng I have never used before ınto the equatıon.

Thınkıng usıng the rıng, has made me thınk about marrıed people who cheat on theır partner. And how left to my one natural fealıng, I would hate them for ıt. However,of One of the reason why they mıght cheat ıs because they are not happy wıth theır marrıed partner and dont lıke to the thought of becomıng sıngle ın order to fınd the rıght person.

I dıd have a relatıonshıp wıth someone who was not rıght, at the same tıme I was stıll lookıng for someone. I dıd not feel very gulty about ıt, sımply because I was lonely anyway. Now I have broke up wıth her because she has accused me of stealıng personal ıtem that have no use to me, I am even more lonely then before.

Some people cheat for greed reasons (sexual gratıfıcatıon, challange etc) these acts are less forgıveble. Those people should take up some other game to fulfıll theır lıves, ınstead of messıng wıth that whıch should not be messed wıth.

Sorry about my bad spellıng and grammar , I am ın an Internet cafe and all the optıons are ın foreıghn so I cant spell check them.

Tell them you own a small business...you have one child under the age of 10...and your wife isn't in the best of health.

Worked for mine.

Your mileage may vary...

I am back from Turkey, and I did find two interesting NT ladies to talk to, they both are complete other end of the spectrum, I am surprised that they let me hang out with them. They are both middle aged and one of them is very attractive, and she knows I am interested so does the other one, she gives her condolence. On there next holiday to Bulgaria, they want me to came with them.

As for as the ring goes, I did not see it appropriated to use, not on this holiday anyway.