Furious with girlfriend - or am I being stupid?

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17 Jul 2009, 1:29 pm

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I can only suggest here that you are playing mind-games, she has told you that there is nothing to worry about. I understand that your anxiety will not evaporate, but if you are told nothing bad has happened the onus is on you to ignore your anxiety.

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Yes you are. Understanding and issues work both ways. You were playing mind-games because you were anxious, she was playing mind-games because she was more than likely angry/annoyed. Yet you have looked at this whole situation from a unipolar perspective. Although she might apologise for getting angry with you, the onus is on you to apologise, because you created this mess and were very rude. (Btw, count yourself lucky if you get an apology, because technically you don't really deserve one).



You can play mind games unintentionally? 8O



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17 Jul 2009, 1:42 pm

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You can play mind games unintentionally?

The whole point of that post was to suggest to him that his actions can be misrepresented, misunderstood and protrayed as mind games/manipulation as well.



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17 Jul 2009, 1:46 pm

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When you agree to goto a coffee shop to talk, you are contextually agreeing to drink something as well. I'm sure that may sound stupid to some people, but you've pretty much stated i am going to have a cup of coffee. I understand why the OP did not have a cup of coffee, because they did not have any mocha and he likes mocha. But because he was in a bad mood, he is contextually he is saying i am pissed off by not having the coffee.

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The coffee shop owners will insist that at least somebody in the party order something. But once that's been satisfied, there are no further obligations that everybody in the party order something. I've gone to Starbucks with a friend and got nothing while they got something and vice versa. I also don't see how a "mocha or nothing" stand converys that he's pissed off contextually. Lots of people have their favorite things and they get nothing if their favorite isn't in stock. There is no breech of protocol unless the person gets all hissy about the favorite being out of stock and starts berating the cashiers (I have seen that happen- very bad form).


This debate about "Do you need to drink something at a coffee house" points out Aspie weakness in social norms.

Michjo is making us aware of one, and everyone is jumping all over him about it. Much as it might not make sense, be logical, be the legally required thing to do (or whatever excuse you might think of), the fact is that it is usually polite to buy something when you go to someone's shop, and that if someone wants to meet you in a place where they are going to have something to eat or drink, they also would like you to eat or drink something, rather than stare at them while they eat or drink.

Would you go to a bar with someone if you didn't feel like drinking? You would at least order something non-alcoholic and sip it the entire time, right?

If this person really had a "make or break" approach to not getting their mocha, at which point Starbucks became useless for them, I say that is their problem, not everyone else's. It's certainly not a mature way to face the situation, and I think at that point, with that kind of reaction, the other person's reactions or foibles become moot. Stop acting like a small child throwing a tantrum, grin and bear it, and get on with your life.

Btw, how spoiled are we here in the West when not getting our mocha is the big problem we have to deal with? I'm sure child soldiers in Africa would love to have that problem.



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17 Jul 2009, 2:14 pm

I'm just wondering why you assumed the "something" she wanted to talk to you about was something bad?

Had you and she been having rough times leading up to this Starbucks thing? Are you expecting bad news about a loved one?

I'm almost inclined to think that it may have been something positive, just by her reaction to your getting upset. Like maybe your anxiety spoiled the atmosphere for her good news. Still, it could be either or.

On the other hand, if she's aware of your AS and knows that certain things can trigger negative thoughts, she should avoid those triggers for your sake.



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18 Jul 2009, 5:47 am

Thank you everyone, for your responses to my original post.
We spoke yesterday about the whole episode and it was a largely neutral family matter that she wanted to talk about, no cheating or anything like that going on.
I explained how anxious I had been over the whole 'kept in the dark' thing, and I felt it was unfair to carry on like that. She does know me well enough not to.
I got a bit of a telling off for not trusting her with the news, but she also agreed to consider how my anxiety can get out of hand.
Me not ordering a drink was a side issue as far as she was concerned, but it did make her feel rushed into drinking her own quickly, so she didn't feel like spilling the beans at that given moment.
And, I wasn't in any way rude to the people behind the counter :wink:



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18 Jul 2009, 5:51 am

Well done! :thumright:
Good news are always pleasant to read.



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18 Jul 2009, 7:00 am

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Well done! :thumright:
Good news are always pleasant to read.


Thanks Zena4!
I have learned how I can come across quite badly at times and although the gf was out of order, I was too.



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18 Jul 2009, 8:15 am

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Thanks Zena4!
I have learned how I can come across quite badly at times and although the gf was out of order, I was too.

I'm glad your sorted everything out and i agree there were problems on both sides. In relationships is usually always a 50/50 blame split in disagreements :)



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18 Jul 2009, 9:27 am

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Yesterday at work, I got an email from my partner, who really hoped I would agree to go to Starbucks after work, because she had something she wanted to talk to me about.
Immediately I went into panic mode, thinking someone was ill, I was in some kind of trouble, there was bad news etc etc. My mind was racing and she knows me well enough to know that was inevitable. All the same, she reassured me it was nothing to worry about, but she wouldn't even give me a clue over what was going on. :(


if she said there was nothing to worry about then i would not have worried.
even if she said i should be worried, i would not have worried.
i have no secrets, and i can not be worried.
i would have seen her as a drama queen in a way.

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Several hours later, we went for a coffee, but they had suddenly withdrawn my favourite mocha and I didn't fancy anything else.
She went mad at me saying she wasn't going to be sitting there FOR AN HOUR without me having a drink.

i would have become annoyed with her displeasure at my not drinking some beverage.
if she said she wasn't going to be sitting there FOR AN HOUR without me having a drink,
i would have said "neither am i", and i would have left.

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Eventually I just blurted out that I wanted to know what she had to say and please hurry up and tell me.
She refused. On the grounds that she didn't feel like it anymore.

she sounds rather interesting in a way. if she did not "feel like it any more", then she is just blustering, and you have no need to be paranoid.


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I protested about game playing, messing with my head, all calmly and quietly, due to the NT knitting circle.
She raised her voice and asked me what my problem was!

she probably was playing you like a violin. she seems to know how to elicit strong reactions from people. she is probably very well practiced at playing with people's minds. i like her from your description.



18 Jul 2009, 2:09 pm

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Thank you everyone, for your responses to my original post.
We spoke yesterday about the whole episode and it was a largely neutral family matter that she wanted to talk about, no cheating or anything like that going on.
I explained how anxious I had been over the whole 'kept in the dark' thing, and I felt it was unfair to carry on like that. She does know me well enough not to.
I got a bit of a telling off for not trusting her with the news, but she also agreed to consider how my anxiety can get out of hand.
Me not ordering a drink was a side issue as far as she was concerned, but it did make her feel rushed into drinking her own quickly, so she didn't feel like spilling the beans at that given moment.
And, I wasn't in any way rude to the people behind the counter :wink:



Sounds like a misunderstanding you two had but I'm glad you two worked it out.



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18 Jul 2009, 9:18 pm

I have a similar story.

My husband gets very annoyed when I say I'll do something and then I don't do it, even if it's not important. One day he asked me to go to the post office to do something for him, I agreed. It was something that could be done anytime, there was no time limit and the result would've been the same even a week later. But he wanted to get it out of his mind. I told him I'll do it next day after work. Next day I found out that I got a job that I really, really wanted. It was great news and I decided to stop and buy a bottle of champaigne and something special to eat to celebrate de news. I had no time to go to the post office because I went to the shop and I had to pick-up the kids from school. So, I'm waiting for him at home to give him the great news. He comes home annoyed with something to do with work, I try to calm him down so I can tell him I got the job. He than asked me if I went to the post office. I said: 'no, I had no time, but listen, I want to tell you something...'. And then he gets into this rant about how next time he'll do it himself because he can't count on me :roll: . Anyway, he totally ruined my day and my mood, so I went to do some work in the house. Next morning I was still upset so I didn't tell him anything. I felt a bit better by lunchtime so I went to the post office in my lunch break and then I sent him a message telling him that the problem was solved. He appologised at home that he overreacted the day before and indeed there was no difference if it was done a day later, but he would like me to be more reliable. I was still so annoyed that he ruined my day so I told him I'll try to remember this next time :x , but didn't tell him about the job. He found out few days later from a friend of mine. I think he still doesn't understand why I just didn't tell him 8O that I had a good reason not to go to the post office so we can celebrate the job. I wasn't in the mood for that after being lectured on how unreliable I am :evil: . Anyway, he did take me out to celebrate in weekend.



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19 Jul 2009, 4:09 am

Laura,
I think your reaction then was quite understandable, and in the same situation I would have felt a bit deflated and probably kept my good news to myself., at least for a while. I'm glad that it all worked out though, and you ended up celebrating :)
It just goes to show though, how messed up things get when we have communication breakdowns.

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19 Jul 2009, 4:23 am

laura123 wrote:
I have a similar story.

My husband gets very annoyed when I say I'll do something and then I don't do it, even if it's not important. One day he asked me to go to the post office to do something for him, I agreed. It was something that could be done anytime, there was no time limit and the result would've been the same even a week later. But he wanted to get it out of his mind. I told him I'll do it next day after work. Next day I found out that I got a job that I really, really wanted. It was great news and I decided to stop and buy a bottle of champaigne and something special to eat to celebrate de news. I had no time to go to the post office because I went to the shop and I had to pick-up the kids from school. So, I'm waiting for him at home to give him the great news. He comes home annoyed with something to do with work, I try to calm him down so I can tell him I got the job. He than asked me if I went to the post office. I said: 'no, I had no time, but listen, I want to tell you something...'. And then he gets into this rant about how next time he'll do it himself because he can't count on me :roll: . Anyway, he totally ruined my day and my mood, so I went to do some work in the house. Next morning I was still upset so I didn't tell him anything. I felt a bit better by lunchtime so I went to the post office in my lunch break and then I sent him a message telling him that the problem was solved. He appologised at home that he overreacted the day before and indeed there was no difference if it was done a day later, but he would like me to be more reliable. I was still so annoyed that he ruined my day so I told him I'll try to remember this next time :x , but didn't tell him about the job. He found out few days later from a friend of mine. I think he still doesn't understand why I just didn't tell him 8O that I had a good reason not to go to the post office so we can celebrate the job. I wasn't in the mood for that after being lectured on how unreliable I am :evil: . Anyway, he did take me out to celebrate in weekend.



I would have been annoyed too if you didn't do something you said you were going to do.

Did you ever tell your husband why you didn't tell him the good news?

You could have gone to the post office first and then buy a bottle of champagne after you pick the kids up from school.

Always do things first when you say you are going to do something.



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20 Jul 2009, 2:20 am

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I would have been annoyed too if you didn't do something you said you were going to do.

You could have gone to the post office first and then buy a bottle of champagne after you pick the kids up from school.

Always do things first when you say you are going to do something.

My husband thinks the same. But I can't see what the problem is :scratch: . It would be ok to be upset if there was a time limit I missed or if the outcome was influenced in any way, but it made no difference. I didn't want to take the kids shopping after school because I was tired and I wanted to get home before my husband.

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Did you ever tell your husband why you didn't tell him the good news?

When he found out he asked me why I didn't tell him. He did feel very sorry for ruining my day.



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20 Jul 2009, 9:44 am

laura123 wrote:
My husband thinks the same. But I can't see what the problem is :scratch: . It would be ok to be upset if there was a time limit I missed or if the outcome was influenced in any way, but it made no difference.


I tend to agree with your husband and Spokane Girl. It DOES make a difference. It makes a difference because you said you would do it. Otherwise, why say it?



21 Jul 2009, 3:51 pm

Laura, does your husband have AS?


I am glad he understood after you explained it to him why you didn't tell him the good news. I have learned through you that getting all upset and stressed someone isn't going to tell you something when they said they would can make it harder for them to tell you if you are uptight so it's best to try and remain calm so it be easier for them to tell you. I may not understand why it be harder for some people to tell good news or something important if their friend or partner is all uptight but I will consider that person maybe didn't lie to me when they didn't tell me something and they weren't trying to play a mind game with me when they said they have something to tell me and then they don't tell me. I just asked my husband if he has that problem too and he said "sometimes" and I asked him why and he said he didn't know.