The Male beauty standards: Harder to get?

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I was discussing with an online acquaintance here (1 million fake USD for the first one who can guess who! except the online acquaintance him/herself of course) a theory that says : there are more beautiful women in the world than beautiful men due to evolutionary and biologiacl reasons, but that would be another topic.


Followed by this convo , we concluded that the modern male beauty standards are harder to get than the modern female beauty standards. Why? That's why:

Part I: Body part

1- it's easier to get slim than to get muscled : The slim/curvy woman is usually appealing to most most men , even those who might very slim and curvy can still be appealing to many men. However a slim man with slim body features (small shoulders,small chest) is viewed unappealing to most women , a typical attractive man should have a muscled body , not necessarily hunky , but at least somehow athletic in masculine way. It's easier to get slim for both genders, all you need to do is to not eat excessively ,follow a healthy diet and do light sports (such as running) , it's usually enough for women to get a good body (not hot ,but good) while it's not enough for the slim guy , a slim guy had to do in addition : push-ups , weight lifting and other gym stuffs.

2- Women of all sizes can be considered hot: Women, like men, are in three types of body sizes (petite, medium and tall) , if all body types follow a healthy diet to get a good then their bodies would be appealing to most men:
-The curvy/slim petite woman's body is considered very feminine and sexy by most men.
-The curvy medium-size woman's body is considered sexy by most men
-The curvy tall woman's body is considered elegantly sexy by most men.

In all cases, they are considered sexy by most men.

It's not the case for men tho:

-The petit guy's body is considered unmasculine by most women , even if he's muscled thanks to gym , it would be hard to get wide shoulder, wide chest and wide jaws. The body frame is genetic and can be hardly changed by gym.
-the well-built medium men : it's hard to tell but some woman would consider this hot while other would consider this not masculine enough.
- The well-built tall guy's body is the ideal for most women

3- Plastic surgeries: More specially for the women's breast , breast and ass implants are getting better and better and it's becoming harder to notice (and most men don't even care), but what a man with small chest can surgically do to make it more appealing to most women? Implanting an old knight body armor inside the chest?

Part II: Face

1- Beauty products: Daily cosmetic products can turn an ugly-looking to average and an average-looking girl to pretty and pretty-looking girl to gorgeous and so on , it's usually have an upscaling positive impact if it's done right. Cosmetic products for men don't have that much impact , not even the icky famous hair gel, an ugly man without gel will remain ugly with hair gel.


2- Plastic surgeries(again): Face plastic surgeries don't have that much impact on a man's beauty level of face as they have on a woman's face. Sure a nose surgery might help to make a man's face better in case it's initially odd-looking , but a man has less options to surgically improve his face: cheekbone, eyebrows and lips surgeries would make him look gayer while those might make a woman look sexier.


That's probably why most women are complaining about the lack of hot men and that's why most men are complaining why women are so picky toward them (because most of them are not hot).

So ...discuss.

Your idea of what women consider attractive is comically narrow. In a world where Seth Rogen and Adrian Brody can both be considered handsome alongside such men who fit your criteria (Brad Pitt), there is far more leeway than you have written. Really the only hard and fast rule is grooming. And I don't mean a metrosexual level of grooming, either. Clean clothes, a daily shower, brushed teeth...

I will confess that boys with extreme acne look pretty bad. But that either clears up or turns into scars that look tough and masculine. Which is no compensation for those who are 17, but for those who are 27 their faces should have gone one way or the other.

Men also have far more leeway regarding age. Men can look handsome into their 50's, 60's and 70's (I can't be the only woman who finds Sean Connery handsome even though he's 70-something). But somewhere on the "attractive women" thread, somebody even posted that Angelina Jolie looks old. Angelina Jolie! And she's barely in her 30's.

Have to agree with janissy, you're criteria is too narrow. I think as a guy it has a lot more to do with how you act and having a basic level of grooming.

All you need is a good jaw line and low body fat to be physically attractive to a good deal of girls. You probably do not need to look like you lift weights, though. Unfortunately, the jaw line is something you either have or do not. Lack of it is not the end of the world, though. I'd say there are much worse deal breakers, like having AS symptoms. I have a feeling a good jaw line and low body fat can definitely negate the effect of having AS symptoms. The problem with talking about beauty standards and attraction is that they sort of defy rigid categorization when you start talking about individuals and their actual standards as evidenced by the people they date.

Maybe it's harder for a man to be "beautiful", but to what end? Is it necessary?

why do you care LPP, you are very beautiful!

That's true, guys have a harder time getting around their looks. But simple things like mastery over movement could pick up where the looks leave off, people who can dance comfortably seem to have have an easier time with body language.

Adrian Brody and Owen Wilson have broken their noses in the past and their injuries have worked to their advantage (I think it helps accent their off beat personalities).

If you ask me, most people develop feelings based off of emotional content, this definately works more in a guy's favor (men are allowed to act stoic and not play into emotions so easily, this is socially acceptable).

Does anyone else feel like it's hard to play oblivious to other people's emotions?

Roughly what percentage of women would find feminine faces attractive? Lets take anime for instance. First of all, I rarely watch anime shows so dont accuse me of being an anime nut. Im just using it as an example. Take the face of a lot of anime main characters and you will notice they look feminine. Not girly, just feminine. Theres a difference. Many have long hair as well. Some examples are:
Most of the male characters from Final Fantasy Advent Children
Alucard and Richter from Caslevania Symphony of the Night
Abel Nightroad from Trinity Blood
Kenshin from Ruroni Kenshin
Hiei from Yu Yu Hakusho
Sesshomaru from Inuyasha
Bill Kaulitz from Tokio Hotel (yes, its a band, but Bill is still very feminine)
If you dont know who these guys are, look them up so you know what im talking about.

While it is true anime was made in Japan and the Japanese culture is different from western, there are tons of western women that think many male characters from popular anime are hot. Meanwhile, any guy in real life that does look feminine, other more masculine looking guys will make fun of him. It doesnt make sense. Maybe its just subconcious jealousy taking the form of alpha male machoism.

Now, I am not gay or bi at all, but those guys I listed are quite attractive. Im not attracted to them, but somehow I can see how so many girls find them hot. Obviously, any guy can look girly, but not any guy can look feminine. It takes a slim body and certain face to pull it off. You can still be slim, but very tone and slightly muscular so long as you have an ectomorph somatype. A mesomorph or endomorph will start to look bulky if he puts on more and more muscle mass, but thats another topic.

Basically what im trying to say is, how come so many girls find guys with feminine faces and a slim, athletic body very attractive, where many others will find a muscular body and very masculine face attractive. It just seems weird to me that there isnt a bunch of consistant physical traits in a male that 95% of women on this planet find attractive. From what ive observed most girls who say these guys are really hot are within the 14-20 age range, while most girls who say very masculine guys look hot are within the 30-45 age range. Maybe there is a corrilation here.

Male attractiveness is an interesting issue, especially in light of the recent paper on the evolution of female beauty. But cognitive science has long since demonstrated that the "attractiveness" of a man to a woman depends on many factors besides physical appearance.

For instance, women shown photos of men rate the men as more attractive when told the men have high-paying, prestigious jobs than when told the men have low-paying, low-status jobs. Women also react more favorably to men who state and show interest in child-rearing, regardless of physical appearance. Many similar examples abound, and the results are relatively consistent across cultures.

Television, particularly animation, is all about exaggerating qualities to an extent that tickles the brain for a while, but would not be particularly appealing in real life. The same can be said of Barbie, for instance, whose proportions when scaled to a normal woman's height become practically physiologically impossible.

So a dorky-looking guy with an M.D. and money in the bank can do well in the dating/marriage game, as can an abrasive guy with below average looks but a six-figure income as a software sales executive (these two examples are taken from people I know).

Isnt that just being shallow though? I mean, I personally am not going to be more sexually attracted to a girl because she makes $150,000 a year. Her personality, beliefs, interests, and physical appearance are what determines if she is sexually attractive to me. If she happened to be rich, that would be a bonus, yeah. Not a major contributor though. Im sure there are many girls who are like me in that respect too. If all females are more attracted to monitary success, then ive lost interest in being with someone if all girls are that shallow.

I don't know where do you live, but in the USA men are supposed to be strong, confident, intelligent, hard working and have some sensitivity.

Men are not supposed to be "beautiful", except for gay guys.
The more intelligent you are, the more you can understand what women want.
I don't just mean a high math IQ level, I mean a high level of intelligence in most areas.

Yeah, I live in the US, but see that's a stereotype that ticks me off. I am strong and confident, as well as sensitive, but I also take care of myself, I use moisturizers, body wash, I trim my eyebrows, try as much as I can to take care of my hair (which is long), but I am not gay at all. Or metro. I just like looking nice and taking care of myself. Would I go to a spa? Yes. Why? Because it's healthy. I guess that makes me gay even though I don't have any sexual attraction to men. Makes perfect sense... -_-