The Male beauty standards: Harder to get?

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^^ Chill, you don't need to be that insulting, you have the total right to disagree but not the right to be insulting. Ok?? good skullboy, you'll do better next time.



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You people are confusing between attraction and beauty, attraction is a larger and way more complicated issue.

This thread is ONLY about the standards of physical beauty , it's like someone showing a pic of a person and you quickly would rate him whether he/she's very hot , mildly hot and not , it's about physical first impression here, you have no idea about his/her confidence/personality/career and beliefs.


now after I clarified this:


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Last edited by LePetitPrince on 02 Aug 2009, 11:39 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Well, the beauty part is a little hard to pinpoint. We have lots of examples, and what I like about them is that they apply in more situations (alpha male characteristics for instance).

But the attraction part is more interesting, because men who aren't attractive have a real chance.

From the opposite perspective, you have a girl who wants the same thing, the best she can get. Over here, a girl at the party isn't going to understand anyting about a guy, so LPP's definition of beauty comes into play, if you have a face or a build, you're going to get noticed. Having the income or the house will get you noticed by a different crowd, not a party girl. I know this is stereotyping, but you have to realize the social context. A girl at the party is with her friends and she's more worried about the impression she makes on them than she is about hooking up with a guy. I'm going to church in half an hour for the first time in months. Having the income will turn heads there, girls in that situation are expected to find a good person to be with, and money doesn't lie.

In reverse, I work with my definition of attractive in females and I try to weigh physical attractivness vs psychological attractivness. If they're shallow for wanting to see an alpha male or a bank account, then I'm shallow for what I want to see in them.

We live in such a shallow world...
it is actually a LOT of work for BOTH genders to be considered "attractive" by the general public.

To me, how beautiful someone is, is based 99% on a person's morals, ethics, personality, and integrity.

I agree. Although physical attraction plays a very large part, theres no way im going to want to be in a relationship with someone who doesnt share my morals and who's personality makes me cringe.

I know what you're getting at here. The major deal breaker is the lack of understanding of other people's morals. I've made the mistake of trying to take on someone else's morals in order to relate better. This strategy does NOT help in any way. It keeps my morals from ever being noticed and the first guy who doesn't care what the other person thinks looks more comfortable by comparison.

How is calling your opinion narrow minded insulting? It's not attacking you, it's disagreeing with what you wrote. Unlike what you said about me in that other thread.

The topic is narrow minded in the sense that it only describes a specific set of facts, but I don't see why it would be incorrect. What reasons to you have to disagree?

Well the only input I could give is there is the general bias in media in what beauty is and the bias in what beauty isn't.

Most of those guys who are considered the most sexy men in magazines...I never really found attractive. In fact, I often find myself and some females disagreeing and agreeing in who they find attractive. I think physical attraction is far more complex than what has been posted....at least in my experience.

And no, I've found guys who aren't so tall attractive. As for money...never cared but I don't think that would be considered the first thing a female sees as attractive in a sexual sense. I mean do men..once they spot a hot girl only think about her role as a female before finding her attractive? No I don't think so.

Yes, hygeine is important and there are ways both genders can fix themselves up. The extreme routes such as plastic surgery are not what the other gender chooses for you but what you choose for yourself. I've found some people who have looked worse than better...when they go to too many lengths of trying and looking their ideal way. If anything, I don't think trying to look an ideal way is any easier on one gender than another. You also can't judge someone by their gender in what they consider attractive. It isn't their fault in what is instilled in their brain. Although you can change or influence the way people percieve beauty. For instance, I've known guys who have stereotyped women in my job as being a lesbian or man hater because they're not "femenine" looking enough. Often times I find their assumptions appalling untrue with most of the females I've worked with. Same bs I hear about guys looking femenine....they must be emo or gay which is never always true. So stereotypes in one's looks vs personality are another issue you have to take into account.

Also not everyone female or male are into the mainstrean of beauty in our western culture. Yes there are biological and evolutionary traits such as big boobs...natures way of men seeking women who are fertile for offspring and other traits. But humans are a little more complex than just looking for evolutionary ways of beauty. For instance, I've often found myself attracted to men that aren't so masculine. In fact some of the men who they find attractive...I cringe at. So this topic is a little too narrow in what your theory of beauty is because there are so many other factors along with this: culture, personality, preferences, sexual orientation, body types, clothes (one may feel as if they identify in what another's wearing..as clothes can express the facets of that person yet not always), race (yes there are some people attracted to certain races than others, why I don't know but I hear it a lot especially from guys)...etc.

I believe there is a lot to be said in beauty being in the eye of the beholder. Yes...generally there is a beauty that both people will generally find attractive but it isn't very well concise or what one would consider evolutionary traits since we still don't know what causes some of what we find attractive in people.

I was looking at a picture of Mick Jagger on the cover of a magazine the other day, and I thought "He still has it." I think he must be in his 60's now.

Anyway, LittlePetitPrince I think you would be surprised if you knew how flexible women can be with looks. I have dated guys ranging from 5"2 to 6"3... also I know girls who have told me they like a guy with a bit of a beergut... or lack of hair. There is such a range in tastes. I dont think you need to worry.

Women are generally less visual than men, they wont just date a man on his facial structure alone in the majority of cases. Women tend to look at a wide range of attributes the male has such as his confidence, social dominance & status, the ability to provide for her whereas Men are more visual at tend to look at the physical features of women and i feel that is why many women feel the need to improve themselves through beauty products and surgery.

Yes, women do like some pretty boys but most of them are young girls and women do find fame attractive, there is no point in denying it, fame brings instant social status, attention and glory..something that most extroverts love.

I believe women already have a hard-time looking feminine in this world where men are starting to look more androgynous or metro-sexual. I think you should be happy with who you are. I am scarred, tall, bearded, pale and certainly not conforming to be a Hollywood perfect person anytime soon. If you show confidence in who you are, that will shine through and women will like you for it and who cares if someone rejects you for who you are ? At least you are still being true to yourself.

So far, all replies are off topic (except MDD123's) , you're all talking about personality/attraction/morals and how women are flexible...etc. they're not the topic.

This thread is not about me. It's just a debate thread.




now now...how come calling you 'more attractive than most celebs' is considered insult? Should I have to worship you too to appease your ego? because I won't.

I don't believe mine and some other members were too far from MDD123's post...but it's YOUR thread (debate).

Applying one standard of beauty to all is not something I find to be productive. In some cultures, being slightly overweight is an attractive quality, whereas it can be repulsive in another. These prototypical standards of beauty are no more difficult than any other; there are surgeries out there for men as well as women for cosmetic reasons; and appearance is a scale and spectrum with no guarantees of how you look. Either work with it, fix it, or work around it - but spending time complaining about it is time lost forever.


M.

excellent advice

but again, this thread is not about me.

It's about men's beauty standards vs women's beauty standards. And the question of the thread is: The Male beauty standards: Harder to get?

Got it?