With AS, Does no one want to "give?"

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29 Mar 2010, 6:50 am

Yes, of course I would like to give in a relationship. I like making other people happy, and always have done. I consider that as a given, though, when people ask me what I look for in a mate. However, sometimes it can be difficult to know what is considered 'too much' or 'not appropriate' in a particular situation. I'm not talking about discussing sex (ugh), but I do find I restrain myself when it might be better to talk freely.



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29 Mar 2010, 8:36 am

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Yes, with certainty. She used to reciprocate, as well. It's not so bad though, I hope she'll want to stay my friend anyway. We've been good friends for many years; best friends for a good while.


I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Let's hope she'll be ready to tell you what's going through her mind one of these days.
She might not have been able to figure out her own emotions. It's never easy, going from friends to lovers. :(
Is there anything more confusing than love?
Gah!

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I'm not terribly fond of NJ, but for all intents and purposes it is my home. I couldn't imagine living anywhere else, despite the mediocre conditions...

As for finding people, you're probably better at that than me. Maybe you should come over here and find some for me. My big problem is that if I don't have a reason to talk to someone, it's like they don't exist. I need to be part of something along with the other person in question... my church, choirs, hell I've been thinking about trying habitat for humanity as of late... I've joined a bunch of community choirs recently in the hopes that maybe they would have some younger people. None did.

Or, on the other hand, you could just chill with me and we wouldn't have to be so "hopeless' in our hopeless romanticism... :roll: lol


If it wasn't because I'm ill and dirt poor I'd grab the next plane to NJ! :D I'm all pro-chilling.
I've never been outside Europe before. Of course I'd had to visit the pharmacist first, to purchase some tranquillizers (flying is serious business!), but even so! NJ've got a lot of fine museums such as the Montclair Art Museum.

I will not be so bold, as to say I'm good at finding potential lovers, if such was the case I wouldn't be single at the moment.
Well, me having given up on dating for a while to be myself, might also contribute to that factor! xD
In my short history with men, they've pretty much just found me through dating sites, book shops, etc.
Personally I've given up trying to understand the game of love. I'll just play (no puns what so ever!) the game, when I find a worthy opponent/partner. If my calculations are correct, I'll meet him in about 3 months. No no - I'm serious!
There seems to be some kind of cycle when it comes to my love life.

When I was 17 I fancied this guy, had my first kiss, nothing more happened to that story.
6 months later I fell in love with this man, who was nuts about me, but in the end, nothing ever became of it.
6 months after that I had my very first boyfriend - we were officially together for 3 months, although it was probably more like 6 months. I broke it off with him 3 months ago.
Do you see the system? xD Which means that I'll find him this summer... But I'm so very unpleasant during the hot months.
He must have a thing for grumpy/pathetic women. :lol:

Bah, long post!! ! :x



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29 Mar 2010, 10:04 am

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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Let's hope she'll be ready to tell you what's going through her mind one of these days.
She might not have been able to figure out her own emotions. It's never easy, going from friends to lovers. :(
Is there anything more confusing than love?
Gah!

Thanks. :)
Hmm, yeah, it is confusing. Never been very confused about my own love, though. I'm pretty simple.


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29 Mar 2010, 12:13 pm

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I want to do things that make his life easier, that make him happy. I want to find his most deep down burning desires and fantasies and I want to be a part of them.


Yeeeeaaahhh. I've heard that before. Several times in fact and it never turned out to be true in RL. It's a teen-and-20-something female NT fantasy, as real as Twilight. :roll:

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1)How can you give when you have not a clue as to what they want.


And here's the real issue. The very definition of our condition is that we cannot read other people's subtle nonverbal cues and let's face it, few people ever just come right out and SAY what they really want. The more intimate the desire, the more vulnerable it makes them feel, thus even less likely they'll verbalize it.

If you can't pick up on your SO's nonverbal cues and you don't thave the Theory of Mind capability to empathetically imagine yourself in their shoes in order to guess at what they're thinking or feeling, then how the hell are you supposed to become some cooing fuzzy ball of nurturous 'giving'?

And if they do tell you exactly what they want, and it requires dropping your obsessive interest right now to come make them happy...well, that might happen once in a while, but eventually its going to become a major bone of contention.

Aspies are not suited in general to that kind of behavior - not because we have no desire to be good partners - but because our brains aren't constructed to function that way. If you understand the condition at all, I would think that would be obvious. :?



When that obsessive intrest passes and the right now is past tense, is it then possible for aspies to revisit the need/s wanted and actually take the INITIATIVE to fullfill them as part of their giving? Somehow I don't see this happening, I see them sitting back in expectation that the asker will somehow also sense that right now they should ask and perhaps they'll have a shot.



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29 Mar 2010, 3:00 pm

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Thanks. :)
Hmm, yeah, it is confusing. Never been very confused about my own love, though. I'm pretty simple.


Simple. Well you are a man (as far as I know. :tongue: ), who can blame you? [/jest jest jest]



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29 Mar 2010, 3:13 pm

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If it wasn't because I'm ill and dirt poor I'd grab the next plane to NJ! :D I'm all pro-chilling.
I've never been outside Europe before. Of course I'd had to visit the pharmacist first, to purchase some tranquillizers (flying is serious business!), but even so! NJ've got a lot of fine museums such as the Montclair Art Museum.

We wouldn't be limited to NJ you know... there's NYC like 20 minutes away...

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I will not be so bold, as to say I'm good at finding potential lovers, if such was the case I wouldn't be single at the moment.
Well, me having given up on dating for a while to be myself, might also contribute to that factor! xD
In my short history with men, they've pretty much just found me through dating sites, book shops, etc.
Personally I've given up trying to understand the game of love. I'll just play (no puns what so ever!) the game, when I find a worthy opponent/partner. If my calculations are correct, I'll meet him in about 3 months. No no - I'm serious!
There seems to be some kind of cycle when it comes to my love life.

I don't know why love needs to be so much of a game. Personally all the women I have ever felt anything for I met through choral groups, summer theater, or at school... and I only felt attraction after being friends for a while.

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When I was 17 I fancied this guy, had my first kiss, nothing more happened to that story.
6 months later I fell in love with this man, who was nuts about me, but in the end, nothing ever became of it.
6 months after that I had my very first boyfriend - we were officially together for 3 months, although it was probably more like 6 months. I broke it off with him 3 months ago.
Do you see the system? xD Which means that I'll find him this summer... But I'm so very unpleasant during the hot months.
He must have a thing for grumpy/pathetic women. :lol:

You mean there's a woman out there that actually doesn't like beaches and tanning and all that kind of stuff? Why do you have to live in Denmark? :oops: lol



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30 Mar 2010, 6:08 am

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We wouldn't be limited to NJ you know... there's NYC like 20 minutes away...

In that case, there're only four words worth mentioning: NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY!! ! :study:
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They'd never get me out of there. :x Never!

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I don't know why love needs to be so much of a game. Personally all the women I have ever felt anything for I met through choral groups, summer theater, or at school... and I only felt attraction after being friends for a while.

I've never truly understood the whole: "lust at first sight" thing either.
By the way: brave man. I would never participate in any sort of theatre play. They usually take place in front of an audience. With lots of people. Staring people. :help:

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You mean there's a woman out there that actually doesn't like beaches and tanning and all that kind of stuff? Why do you have to live in Denmark? :oops: lol

Gah, thanks Toad. :D My reason for disliking the sun is simple: I do not get that neat golden skin colour after sunbathing that most people do. Instead I turn brightly red, before my whiteness returns. That and hot temperatures make me dizzy. I basically survived on ice cream and "koldskål" last summer.
Spend most of the summer on the terrace under the parasol reading. The rest of the holiday was spent with my friends in a holiday hut near the sea. 8) Spring is my all time favourite season!



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30 Mar 2010, 12:19 pm

If I like someone I'll do what it takes to make them happy (as long as it's nothing crazy).
I don't have this deep inner desire to GIVE, but, some people, I do want to help out.
I don't know, I don't really understand myself sometimes.
Maybe I do feel like giving, but don't I recognise it as such, or something.
I do randomly help people out every now and then, or give stuff away. Hm.



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30 Mar 2010, 12:26 pm

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Ooo! :D


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30 Mar 2010, 12:38 pm

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Ooo! :D


I know. It's awesome, in the true meaning of the word.
And it's bleeping huge on the inside with a grand study hall and plenty of books, books, books, books.
We should arrange a viking invasion of New York. 8) Wearing historically incorrect horned helmets of course.



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30 Mar 2010, 7:16 pm

I think giving specifically refers to giving emotional support. I know someone who expects to never give or receive emotional support, when even I know that it's part of any relationship. This same person expects no burdens or inconveniences, and if someone tells her she is unrealistic, she accuses that person of manipulating or guilt-tripping her.


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31 Mar 2010, 6:38 am

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PLA wrote:
Ooo! :D


I know. It's awesome, in the true meaning of the word.
And it's bleeping huge on the inside with a grand study hall and plenty of books, books, books, books.
We should arrange a viking invasion of New York. 8) Wearing historically incorrect horned helmets of course.

Heh, of course.


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31 Mar 2010, 7:19 am

If i ever find someone, i plan to do everything i can for them (e.g. making sure i reaffirm my affection in ways that they can understand.) Come to think of it i already give more than i take.



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31 Mar 2010, 7:21 am

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I've never truly understood the whole: "lust at first sight" thing either.
By the way: brave man. I would never participate in any sort of theatre play. They usually take place in front of an audience. With lots of people. Staring people. :help:
I actually find that I block the audience out. The larger the audience, the easier it is to make everyone's face a blur. I have a much harder time performing for 3 people than I do 3,000 people...

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Gah, thanks Toad. :D My reason for disliking the sun is simple: I do not get that neat golden skin colour after sunbathing that most people do. Instead I turn brightly red, before my whiteness returns.
Yeah, I'm pretty much the same way... I also don't get why that golden color is considered so desirable either...

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That and hot temperatures make me dizzy. I basically survived on ice cream and "koldskål" last summer.
Spend most of the summer on the terrace under the parasol reading. The rest of the holiday was spent with my friends in a holiday hut near the sea. 8) Spring is my all time favourite season!
Personally, I like late fall/early winter (before it starts snowing heavily) I spent most of my last summer either sitting at my computer playing video games or doing aforementioned musical theater, along with stuff at my church as usual...



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01 Apr 2010, 9:38 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
I actually find that I block the audience out. The larger the audience, the easier it is to make everyone's face a blur. I have a much harder time performing for 3 people than I do 3,000 people...

You've ever performed in front of 3,000 people? 8O

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Personally, I like late fall/early winter (before it starts snowing heavily) I spent most of my last summer either sitting at my computer playing video games or doing aforementioned musical theater, along with stuff at my church as usual...


Fall is lovely as well. I like the early part of the season better though, when the leaves turn yellow, orange and red. All those sunsetty (is a word now, okay?!) colours. There's a chuch about 600m from my home, on top of a deep valley (looks that way due to the heavy snow of the ice ages, the chuch told us), surrounding by these grand trees. Most of them are located on a private ground though (there's a gorgeous old villa on it, with stained glass windows, three-four floors and a huge garden. Magical!). Anyways; it's beautiful. That's the whole point of this rambling.
The only reason of love the late fall as well is because my birthday is November 6th. 8)



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01 Apr 2010, 10:18 am

GrimmRomance wrote:
You've ever performed in front of 3,000 people? 8O

Actually I think the most I have ever performed for is closer to 6,000 to 7,000, although there were about 150-200 people on the stage.

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Fall is lovely as well. I like the early part of the season better though, when the leaves turn yellow, orange and red. All those sunsetty (is a word now, okay?!) colours. There's a chuch about 600m from my home, on top of a deep valley (looks that way due to the heavy snow of the ice ages, the chuch told us), surrounding by these grand trees. Most of them are located on a private ground though (there's a gorgeous old villa on it, with stained glass windows, three-four floors and a huge garden. Magical!). Anyways; it's beautiful. That's the whole point of this rambling.
The only reason of love the late fall as well is because my birthday is November 6th. 8)
I like early spring in addition to the late fall, as that is when the temperature is just about right for me, as that's when NJ is around 50-60 degrees (of course the US still uses the english system for whatever reason, but in celsius that would be around 10-15 degrees). Any higher and I start sweating, especially when the sun is out.