Page 2 of 3 [ 47 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Pistonhead
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,732
Location: Bradenton, Florida

10 Jul 2010, 7:46 pm

People will take advantage of you any chance they get. If you are nice to everyone you'll get f'ed over in the end. You'll likely end up being a lot of people's best friends if you act "lovingly". Just take a look at NT guys, as*holes get married first. as*holes get everything they want actually.


_________________
"Some ideals are worth dying for"
==tOGoWPO==


Moog
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,671
Location: Untied Kingdom

10 Jul 2010, 7:55 pm

Pistonhead wrote:
People will take advantage of you any chance they get. If you are nice to everyone you'll get f'ed over in the end. You'll likely end up being a lot of people's best friends if you act "lovingly". Just take a look at NT guys, as*holes get married first. as*holes get everything they want actually.


That's why you have to direct your love at receptive targets. I don't advocate setting oneself up in abusive relationships. That comes under loving oneself.

I wouldn't want a relationship with someone who only takes and never gives, so I assume Toad, and right thinking people everywhere, feel the same. Your argument and worldview seems to assume that everyone in the world is an as*hole who is only out to gratify themselves, and that's not true.


_________________
Not currently a moderator


Pistonhead
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,732
Location: Bradenton, Florida

10 Jul 2010, 8:22 pm

Obviously not everyone is only out there to gratify ONLY themselves but it's safer to assume that they are than to go out and love everyone and show compassion, positive feelings and all that other lame bullsh*t. It's just a known fact that nobody can mess with you if you play things the hard way so to speak, where as when you go easy on everyone you're going to lose something in the process. Sanity, money, time, etc. You name it, it will disappear. If you want to be wise about it you would start being a complete as*hole and gradually work your way down to being "nice enough". If you have to you would move on at the first sign of trouble. Granted this isn't entirely possible if you have a shred of decency in you.


_________________
"Some ideals are worth dying for"
==tOGoWPO==


RICKY5
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 2009
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,201

10 Jul 2010, 8:23 pm

What is "love" really? It is an ephemeral set of chemical reactions that come in the form of societal expectations and illusions.

Love is also something costs far more thn what it is actually worth.



Hopeless_Hearts_Marie
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 2007
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 131
Location: Iowa USA

10 Jul 2010, 8:29 pm

RICKY5 wrote:
What is "love" really? It is an ephemeral set of chemical reactions that come in the form of societal expectations and illusions.

Love is also something costs far more thn what it is actually worth.


I don't believe that. Sorry.



RICKY5
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 2009
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,201

10 Jul 2010, 8:31 pm

Hopeless_Hearts_Marie wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
What is "love" really? It is an ephemeral set of chemical reactions that come in the form of societal expectations and illusions.

Love is also something costs far more thn what it is actually worth.


I don't believe that. Sorry.


Just remember that all relationships are an exchange in one form or the other.



Testify
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 26 May 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 35
Location: Derbyshire

10 Jul 2010, 8:34 pm

To live is to struggle. I am thankful that we have a free-market economy that supplies me with drinking water and food so that I don't have to labour every waking hour to secure them both; compared to them being loved is a doddle.


_________________
return 0;


Moog
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,671
Location: Untied Kingdom

10 Jul 2010, 8:41 pm

Pistonhead wrote:
Obviously not everyone is only out there to gratify ONLY themselves but it's safer to assume that they are than to go out and love everyone and show compassion, positive feelings and all that other lame bullsh*t. It's just a known fact that nobody can mess with you if you play things the hard way so to speak, where as when you go easy on everyone you're going to lose something in the process. Sanity, money, time, etc. You name it, it will disappear. If you want to be wise about it you would start being a complete as*hole and gradually work your way down to being "nice enough". If you have to you would move on at the first sign of trouble. Granted this isn't entirely possible if you have a shred of decency in you.


I think you've totally misconstrued what I've said. I'm not saying give away your time and money and sanity for nothing, I'm saying give love to receive love.

I'm not saying don't protect yourself from users and abusers. I'll say it again; I consider that an act of love towards the self, and self love is a prerequisite for any other kind.

You seem to equate being loving with being soft and stupid. I don't. Don't mistake kindness for weakness.


_________________
Not currently a moderator


Pistonhead
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,732
Location: Bradenton, Florida

10 Jul 2010, 8:47 pm

Kindness is a weakness. For the sake of survival the only need to be submissive or kind is when you aren't as tough as the guy who's about to try and kill you.

FYI I'm way too nice. I've been trying to remedy that since I was 12 but I still end up puking my guts out in front of a toilet because of other people, nothing about age is going to make me any nicer. I hate how nice I am. You give love to receive stress and pain.


_________________
"Some ideals are worth dying for"
==tOGoWPO==


Moog
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,671
Location: Untied Kingdom

10 Jul 2010, 8:54 pm

I can tell you are making your statements from a place of suffering. I hope you find the path that leads to the healing of your desire to be what you aren't, and finds a good place for yourself as you are; kind, intelligent and clearly sensitive.

If you feel the need to explore unkindness, then by all means, do, but I didn't find any happiness there, and I don't think you will either. I recommend that you don't give up on kindness; refine your definition of what it it means. Find the people who appreciate love, don't squander your pearls on swine.


_________________
Not currently a moderator


Bugzee
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 255
Location: Krakow, Poland

10 Jul 2010, 9:11 pm

Toad, this isn't meant to be a perosnal attack, but you really need to start taking peoples advice here and move on. All you seem to do is like to complain and be moody, but I haven't seen anything on your part to improve yourself.



Pistonhead
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,732
Location: Bradenton, Florida

10 Jul 2010, 9:14 pm

I have explored unkindness many times in the past. I was the one to blame when me and my 5th grade girlfriend broke up, I was laughing my ass off while my friend beat the crap out of a kid that called me gay too much when I was 12 (then I beat his ass up later that year), I hurt at least 4 friends feelings majorly in the last 4 years. I'm sure I've done plenty more wrong that is escaping my memory. I've told people to go to hell, go f*ck themselves, etc. Entire classrooms even. I do actually find happiness causing other people pain at times, I have to get in the mood for it which I could do on my own but I just wouldn't feel justified in doing so. I can watch an ex girlfriend cry with a big ass smile on my face, SWEET REVENGE! Hell I've even watched an ex cut and laughed at it. I am a jerk, and I'm not afraid to say it.

I'm actually not currently suffering from anything but being bored and broke. I'm glad my last relationship finally ended, cause now I don't have to put up with her sh*t. Healing however (if it happens) is going to take a long ass time or nothing short of a miracle. I'll take your analysis of me as a compliment.


_________________
"Some ideals are worth dying for"
==tOGoWPO==


Ancalagon
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,302

10 Jul 2010, 10:21 pm

Pistonhead wrote:
Kindness is a weakness. For the sake of survival the only need to be submissive or kind is when you aren't as tough as the guy who's about to try and kill you.


This is not true. Kindness or cruelty has little to do with either strength or weakness.

In any case, trying to placate someone who's about to kill you is not kindness.


_________________
"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." --G. K. Chesterton


Pistonhead
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,732
Location: Bradenton, Florida

10 Jul 2010, 10:30 pm

Think what you want. It's a fact that kindness is for the weak, that's why dictatorships work at least until someone stronger comes along and kicks the dictator's country's ass. Might makes right.

Hey, maybe it's not nice but as long as they think it is that's all that matters. You think people are always being truly kind to you when your receive kindness from them? Are you ever sure that can't possibly have a motive behind it?


_________________
"Some ideals are worth dying for"
==tOGoWPO==


KittenWithAWhip
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 May 2009
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,484
Location: Pacific Northwest

11 Jul 2010, 12:01 am

RICKY5 wrote:
Hopeless_Hearts_Marie wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
What is "love" really? It is an ephemeral set of chemical reactions that come in the form of societal expectations and illusions.

Love is also something costs far more thn what it is actually worth.


I don't believe that. Sorry.


Just remember that all relationships are an exchange in one form or the other.


Yes, but not all exchanges are unfair.


_________________
Heck no, I don't want no dang turkey bacon...


zen_mistress
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,033

11 Jul 2010, 2:57 am

RICKY5 wrote:
Hopeless_Hearts_Marie wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
What is "love" really? It is an ephemeral set of chemical reactions that come in the form of societal expectations and illusions.

Love is also something costs far more thn what it is actually worth.


I don't believe that. Sorry.


Just remember that all relationships are an exchange in one form or the other.


yep. an exchange of love.


_________________
"Caravan is the name of my history, and my life an extraordinary adventure."
~ Amin Maalouf

Taking a break.