foreveryoung wrote:
I think the common misconception is that a woman herself will bring happiness in a guy's life. Even if she reciprocated, what you're looking at with a lot of the guys here is a co-dependent relationship, which is completely unhealthy. I'm speaking from experience. My ex, without her even wanting to, in the brief time we knew each other, controlled me. Imagine if she had been malicious and took advantage of it. It was hard enough being fixated on her as it was. And that's the thing...some women will take advantage of guys like the ones on this board.
I know "Don't worry about having a girlfriend" isn't what they think they want to hear, but it's the truth. You have to be happy with yourself and your life first.
I used to think "It's not fair, women can have low self-esteem and be depressed and have whatever boyfriend they want, and a guy can't." But those women often find themselves in emotionally and physically abusive relationships or with men that take advantage of their weaknesses.
It's kind of like someone saying "I want to drive a BMW" and they don't even have a license yet.
This was interesting to read. I am still trying to figure out how all this works. Of course, none of us want to be in a relationship where the other person mistreats us or takes advantage of us.
I think the big problem is, when starting out with minimal relationship experience, one won't know what's going on. It seems the best would be to learn from or with someone on the same level, but it's really hard to find them. And I'm finding that there is a point between childhood and adulthood where it gets much harder. It seems that especially for men, wanting to find women who are "innocent" (not in the sense of virgins, I mean who are forthright and unsophisticated in their way of approaching relationships) gets misread as wanting someone to abuse. And it also seems that men and women are pressured by life circumstances to be open and closed/discerning in different ways, which makes it even harder to find another person to bond with over a shared lack of ability in this area.
A few thoughts about the passion thing:
1) Some of our passions may be really esoteric, and might be hard to show to others. While people with the same passion (if they exist!) may understand, we may actually prefer those who have other passions, to balance us out. In addition, people may not consider what we create with our passion to be worthwhile.
2) Someone mentioned about wanting a partner who will invite you along--some of us may want to live lives separate from our sexual partners, including being free to pursue our passions in a solitary manner.
3) Most importantly, even having an incredible passion, even one that other people are amazed by, won't make one any more able to navigate the world of relationships, once one gets into one.