90% of Aspies can't get a date?

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03 Aug 2010, 5:07 pm

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ryanms92, I have Asperger's.
What we see here on WP is actually often the minority of Aspies. The people who actually finished junior high. That don't look different. The people that knows more than 7th grade math. Those who get girlfriends. I am not one of those.
Most men with Asperger's are like me. Just accept it.
Even if you were right about what the majority of people with AS are, there is no way to know whether you'll be in the "minority" or the "majority" of AS people. There is never a good reason to stop trying. If you want a gf, if you want to know more than 7th grade math, go for it. No one can impose to you that since you got AS you must be like the "majority" of people with AS.

Nevertheless, I do not think you can really claim what YOU think about what the majority of AS people are as a FACT. You have showed no real data for your assertions.


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03 Aug 2010, 6:40 pm

I've been following the forums here for a few years now. If the posters here on WP can be considered a good cross section, it IS true that a good many aspie males have difficulty in the relationship area. My guess is that the number is about 40% not 90%. But when I say "difficulty", I mean just that. Having AS means its harder, but not impossible to have a relationship.

In my case, I am asexual which really throws a rock in the works. Unfortunately, there are a lot of aspies that are also asexual who still desire a relationship. When you are a teen, and asexual, relationships are very difficult because you simply don't have the drive. In my case, I've had a girl tell me that she wanted to sleep with me and I thought she meant she was just drowsy. We were 12. Another girl in school kept sitting next to me in 7th grade study hall with her arm around me. I thought it was because she needed help with her spelling. And the list goes on. When you are asexual, you can't see a relationship potential even when it kicks you in the teeth.

People are always making invalid assumptions about my sexual proclivities. I don't know if its because of the way I look or the way I walk or whatever, but If I told a stranger that I get laid 3 times a week with a different girl, he would believe it. It would be a lie, but the fact that someone wouldn't challenge such a load of bull utterly amazes me.

I occasionally take walks around the neighborhood and I met my neighbor around the corner. I was dressed like I normally dress for walking - shorts, shoes, my watch.and nothing else. She is very hot and we only talked about horses and stuff and she made it clear that she had a boyfriend. Meanwhile, my neighbor across the street saw us together. The next time I saw him, he was convinced that I was sleeping with her even after I denied it. Go figure.

So for heterosexual aspies, I'd say they have pretty descent odds of finding someone. I think its just a matter of learning to recognize a relationship when it presents itself.



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04 Aug 2010, 9:31 am

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I've been following the forums here for a few years now. If the posters here on WP can be considered a good cross section, it IS true that a good many aspie males have difficulty in the relationship area. My guess is that the number is about 40% not 90%. But when I say "difficulty", I mean just that. Having AS means its harder, but not impossible to have a relationship.

In my case, I am asexual which really throws a rock in the works. Unfortunately, there are a lot of aspies that are also asexual who still desire a relationship. When you are a teen, and asexual, relationships are very difficult because you simply don't have the drive. In my case, I've had a girl tell me that she wanted to sleep with me and I thought she meant she was just drowsy. We were 12. Another girl in school kept sitting next to me in 7th grade study hall with her arm around me. I thought it was because she needed help with her spelling. And the list goes on. When you are asexual, you can't see a relationship potential even when it kicks you in the teeth.

People are always making invalid assumptions about my sexual proclivities. I don't know if its because of the way I look or the way I walk or whatever, but If I told a stranger that I get laid 3 times a week with a different girl, he would believe it. It would be a lie, but the fact that someone wouldn't challenge such a load of bull utterly amazes me.

I occasionally take walks around the neighborhood and I met my neighbor around the corner. I was dressed like I normally dress for walking - shorts, shoes, my watch.and nothing else. She is very hot and we only talked about horses and stuff and she made it clear that she had a boyfriend. Meanwhile, my neighbor across the street saw us together. The next time I saw him, he was convinced that I was sleeping with her even after I denied it. Go figure.

So for heterosexual aspies, I'd say they have pretty descent odds of finding someone. I think its just a matter of learning to recognize a relationship when it presents itself.


You don't know how much I wished I had your "problem". :wink:



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04 Aug 2010, 9:08 pm

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You don't know how much I wished I had your "problem". :wink:

Please elaborate. Which problem do you want me to send you?



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04 Aug 2010, 9:25 pm

I'd say the majority of Aspie men are screwed in the relationship department. Even if they meet a kind, understanding women, she will get sick of him and having to explain things to him, and will break up with him or divorce him.



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04 Aug 2010, 10:29 pm

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I'd say the majority of Aspie men are screwed in the relationship department. Even if they meet a kind, understanding women, she will get sick of him and having to explain things to him, and will break up with him or divorce him.


Sad but true. However, I think this applies primarily to aspie-NT relationships. Aspie-Aspie relationships tend to do much better.



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04 Aug 2010, 10:46 pm

n4mwd wrote:
foreveryoung wrote:
I'd say the majority of Aspie men are screwed in the relationship department. Even if they meet a kind, understanding women, she will get sick of him and having to explain things to him, and will break up with him or divorce him.


Sad but true. However, I think this applies primarily to aspie-NT relationships. Aspie-Aspie relationships tend to do much better.


This is pretty true. I started to hate my ex when we were actually dating, because she just didn't understand.

My current girlfriend I don't think is on the spectrum, but she could be. Either way she seems to just understand more.

I still say what I said in another thread on this forum. If the men can get past their social issues, and the women can work with the men on their social issues, then we Aspies are actually quite a good catch. We'll always say exactly what we mean, we're loyal, we have determination, etc.


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04 Aug 2010, 10:54 pm

I can safely say that I'm not a catch, I don't mean in general, I mean from a dating perspective. Even if a woman likes my looks, I don't drive, will likely never have a 40 hour job due to AS and severe ADD problems, and am pretty much comfortable being a homebody.



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27 Feb 2014, 11:56 pm

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I'm sure when I'm in my 30s, find a job that I can handle, and am talking to women with responsibilities and a the party is over attitude, that my dating life will get better.


When I was in my 20s I thought the same thing. The same stuff happened all through my 30s. I'm 41 now and after all my work on myself, trying to read social skills and learning body languge I can't last more then a couple of dates and I still get friend zoned.


because of my experence working on myself and pretty much always failing at a healthy sig other relationship, I have come to this conclusion:

God does not want me to have anyone special in my life. God gave me AS so people will think I'm strange and "just something about you" so that I will be miserable.

Thats why God made people with AS so that he can laugh at us and have a group of people he can screw with and watch kill themselves.



Actually that can't be it at all. I am a christian myself and actually I learned that God finds "screwing" with people abhorrent. Remember God is so benevolent it's beyond our comprehension. So actually a better look on it is this: God gave us Asperges as a Talent ,as in we are unburdened by social cues so we can think better, and Sin (or the devil) uses it to torment us. God doesn't "screw" with people.

Anyway romance is possible for aspies (after all what about that other 10%) but I myself am proof for this. At my school girls (while probably don't look at me romantically) do not view me as someone unattractive, All you need is to be polite and a little more jolly. Just not socially



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28 Feb 2014, 4:24 am

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That's possible. Most people with Asperger's don't pick up on the non-verbal cues real life situations to determine if someone is interested or not. As for the social skills part, you can learn them. Anyway, I've never had date either and I feel the same way about those books and websites you're talking about. Like the books by Maxine Aston.


Wow, I made the first reply to this thread and I wrote the quoted text just over 4 years ago.

Nice necro Gusman, especially for your first post.



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28 Feb 2014, 8:17 am

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Actually that can't be it at all. I am a christian myself and actually I learned that God finds "screwing" with people abhorrent. Remember God is so benevolent it's beyond our comprehension. So actually a better look on it is this: God gave us Asperges as a Talent ,as in we are unburdened by social cues so we can think better, and Sin (or the devil) uses it to torment us. God doesn't "screw" with people.

It's your first post, so welcome. However, I think you shot yourself in the foot there. Your heart was in the right place, I'm sure, but consider this: If you've read other threads on WP (which you may not have, having joined so recently), you'll find that many aspies lost their faith, or feel angry at god, specifically because god gave them AS, and the problems that go with it. Overall, AS has a lot more minuses than pluses. Yes, we've become stronger from having to learn to live in the NT society, but at what cost? Bullying, ostracism, sensory issues, and anxiety. Even if some religious elements are beyond our comprehension, I, personally, don't care to understand. No matter where I go, I realize that hell can't possibly be that much worse than my childhood. And that's what helps me get through life's tough times.



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01 Mar 2014, 7:18 pm

This makes me so f*****g angry, earlier I felt an enormous monstrosity of pain and boiling anger swelled in my chest as I hear yet again another member of my social group now has a girlfriend or a boyfriend, about 75% of people I know are in relationships and it pees me off, heres everyone being happy and just me sat there like a twat in the corner, the faulty 5th wheel, life can be a pile of shite.



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06 Mar 2014, 1:02 pm

For some reason, I've always been in a quest for love ever since I was pretty young. Platonic love, REAL love, family-ish love etc.. But when I searched more and more, it started to get disconnected from me. I forgot how it was to love. I stopped searching for love 2 years ago because I couldn't find the perfection in love. So I decided to wait and see how it'll come to me. If it actually finds me, I'm sure it'll give me a hell of a headache. It's going to be awesome.


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06 Mar 2014, 3:35 pm

This is classic "Because I don't want/need/care, no one else should want/need/care."

I disagree. Teach them life skills, teach them adaptations. Some will fail, but not all will fail.



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07 Mar 2014, 6:24 pm

Why can't I get a date [lately]? Because my standards do not really fit into anyone I know. (doesn't want kids, stays in shape, isn't an airhead, but wants a relationship) On dating sites that do have the option for "kids/no kids" still only returns will few results for people who do want kids. In real life, interactions are always a grey area, leaving me often confused. Body language and people giving me certain "looks" makes me not want to look people in the eye and be quick about my business. I'll be sure to meet new people in college though.



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07 Mar 2014, 11:59 pm

ryanms92 wrote:
"Why am I not interested in women?
Before I got my Aspergers diagnosis in June 2003, I had complexes for being 30 and a virgin.
They went away with the diagnosis.
My social abilities are so extremely bad that I never learned how to get friends and to understand other people. Therefor, I don't have the same need to get a girlfriend or a family as other people. It's actually like being around a lot of people makes me want to "change the channel" or turn off when it becomes to much for me.
With the chromosome translocation i have, I don't even dare to have children either.
Somebody will maybe disagree with me on this, but I don't want a child neither me as a father or to inherit my autism or genetic disorder!
I spent a great deal of time at an internet dating site and got to "know" some girls there, but now I know that I was only looking for "the wrong part" of the relationship between to people.
On this dating website i behaved like a fool. But I've put that far behind me now. I now know that I'm 30 and a virgin because I have a form of autism and that I've long since accepted, the same way that I've accepted that I can't drive a car because of my epilepsy.
Boys with Asperger's mature slower than other boys and because of that, the gap between them and girls their own age becomes much wider and therefor they have less than zero chance of getting a girlfriend at age 16-18 like other boys. While other boys go to parties or are active in sports at this age, a 16 year-old boy with Asperger's may still be interested in his action figures or other things boys his age grew out of at age 12.
The result of this is that 90% of all men with Asperger's never get a girlfriend or marry.
Sadly there is a sickening "industry" of "experts" who publish books and has websites promoting advice for women who are in love with or are married to men with Asperger's. There are so extremely few men with Asperger's who are in this situation that it's only pathetic!
My obesity, due to my overeating doesn't make me a perfect "fatherhood candidate" either.
I would like to sum up the reasons to why I don't care about this in this way:
1: Lack of social abilities.
2: Doesn't want to subject anyone to the same things my family has had to go through for 30 years, such as weird habits, lack of empathy, rage and "manic" periods.
This is what often destroys relationships for people with Asperger's Syndrome.
More about this on the website of Families of Adults Afflicted with Asperger's Syndrome.
3: I don't want children.
4: I want to "disappear in the crowd" and by no means attract any attention and cause bullying.
I'm against sexual education for young people with Asperger's because 90% of all boys with Asperger's will never reach the maturity needed to get a girlfriend. For them, this education will just become another form of pornography.
schools today has no education about the acceptation of asexuality."

Not sure who this was written by, but it's gotten me thinking. What are the actual numbers of Aspies with romantic relationships?

I have been trying to talk to this girl for a long time. I finally started a conversation and I must have gone on too long or I was boring or whatever, because she seemed extremely disinterested. I just want to talk to this girl, but I can't think of anything to say and even when I do, I always mess up the conversation. How do you get around this?

I know a lot of you people will say something like "Don't worry about it. Just go up and talk to her." Well, I don't know her very well and I at least want to establish some kind of friendship with her beforehand. Obviously, this is the dilemma for most Aspies.

Anyways, to summarize, 1. What do you think of the 90% statistic the person above me gave? Do you think he's just depressed about his life or do you think there is truth to what he says? 2. How do you tackle the problem of not knowing what to say to a girl?

Thanks and have a good day! :)


The sad thing is some of us want it terribly bad. I was so depressed until I met my ex wife in my 30's. Now I'm fine, I've experienced love and it's taught me a lot about how to treat people in general, how to be good to them and how to be faithful. I used to think that I would rather have been on one extreme end than somewhere in the middle, because I wanted intimacy and love so badly but at the same time I wondered if I could even be on object of love for someone else. It made me feel subhuman and wish that I never had any interest in love in the first place.


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