To be Alone, or not to be Alone......

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17 Dec 2010, 8:42 pm

I seem to be the king of pain
And it looks like every relationship I get into, after not to long I become a monster
And start to hurt those that, well I thought, I loved
And I do love them, so I am very upset I get stuck in these patterns
I have watched my patient mother stick by the side of my AS father (and Alcoholic), and we both have had our fair share of being treated bad, and she is still there, and seems to love him know-matter how mean and cold he can be to her
I was given the diagnosis of AS 4 years ago, and now I am 35, I understand the disorder yet seem to be unable to find peace, love, and happiness.
My most recent and deepest relationship is in a broken state, and she ended up betraying me to push me away. She still wants to be my best friend though and I am finding it very hard to be around her now, and every time I try to spend time I wind up in a very bitter place and start treating her bad all over again. Will I be able to put this back together at all? and be at peace without her intimacy? and is it even worth trying to find a solution that makes us both happy?
I feel I should just leave, I also feel that I will do this in every relationship I have, that's a sad feeling but that has been the pattern in my relationships up till now
I have lost all hope that I will treat my partner well, all the time.
Is it easier to stop the pursuit of finding someone that can cope with my tendencies
Right now I feel being alone is the best for me, should I stop wanting affection forever ??
I will sleep better to know.... am I just meant to be alone????



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17 Dec 2010, 9:08 pm

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18 Dec 2010, 1:47 am

Maybe some self-preservation ought to kick in and maybe you need to spend some time apart from your ex?

If you're struggling to spend time with her on a platonic basis, then maybe you shouldn't even see her as friends for a while? You need to give yourself time to heal. If you explain that to her, if you explain you're still getting over the break-up and you find it difficult to hang out with her at the moment, then if she cares about you as a friend, she should understand that and she should be happy to give you some time and space to heal and get over the break-up. She should understand that if you find it difficult to spend time with her, so you can't spend time with her, that doesn't necessarily mean you don't care about her or don't want to be friends, but just that you need to prioritise yourself and your emotional and psychological well-being. She should be okay with that if you explain it to her. And hopefully she'll give you time and space, but tell you that she'll be there for you as a friend in future if you need her.

As for being alone, yes, it's hard. And spending time with her might seem preferable, because spending time with a former partner, albeit just as friends, is better than being alone, isn't it? Not necessarily. Like I said, if you're struggling to spend time with her as just friends, then maybe you need some time and space to heal. But also, maybe you need to be alone for a while, or at least without her company, because maybe that will create some space, a 'vacancy' for a new girlfriend in your life. So maybe by not seeing her (or maybe not seeing her so much), and freeing up some of your time, that means you're available to go out with other friends, meet new people, and maybe find a new girlfriend. That's going to be difficult if you're spending a lot of time with your ex.



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18 Dec 2010, 2:45 am

What EnglishLulu said about your current situation makes sense.

As for the pattern you seem to keep falling into with all of your relationships, I think that maybe you need to at least take a break from dating, period, and try to figure out why you act this way. AS may be part of it, but I highly doubt that it explains everything.

sk80516 wrote:
I seem to be the king of pain
And it looks like every relationship I get into, after not to long I become a monster
And start to hurt those that, well I thought, I loved
And I do love them, so I am very upset I get stuck in these patterns


First of all, exactly how do you hurt them? You seem to be completely aware of what you are doing while you are doing it. What makes it so difficult for you to stop?

sk80516 wrote:
I feel I should just leave, I also feel that I will do this in every relationship I have, that's a sad feeling but that has been the pattern in my relationships up till now
I have lost all hope that I will treat my partner well, all the time.
Is it easier to stop the pursuit of finding someone that can cope with my tendencies
Right now I feel being alone is the best for me, should I stop wanting affection forever ??
I will sleep better to know.... am I just meant to be alone????


You sound like you feel completely helpless to stop acting this way. The fact that you are aware enough of what you are doing to describe it here and say that you don't want it to be like that says that you are NOT helpless. You just need to examine your behaviors and what is causing them.

If this sounds simplistic, I'm sorry. The process won't be that easy, I know.

Talk about the specifics here, or in a PM if you like. I don't think you should just give up.

Take care.


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18 Dec 2010, 3:15 am

I like being with friends but it seems that my battery runs down and I need time alone to "recharge myself".

Does this make sense to other members?



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18 Dec 2010, 2:13 pm

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What EnglishLulu said about your current situation makes sense.

As for the pattern you seem to keep falling into with all of your relationships, I think that maybe you need to at least take a break from dating, period, and try to figure out why you act this way. AS may be part of it, but I highly doubt that it explains everything.

I was alone for 5 years before I met her, so I thought that amount of time was a break for me to figure out how not to repeat my patterns, every girl I date (not many) is more attractive then before, the most recent has been the most patient also. there seems to be years between me finding someone I like, or that likes me.and I have a hard time understanding that, everywhere I go it seems everyone likes me, I am a very outgoing Aspie, I am a very social guy, most are suprised to hear I have AS, and people are warm and caring to me most of the time.
I live in a great place for meeting people, but I don't seem to gain friends or relationships easy. I only seem to become irritable after the first 6 months into the relationship, then it's like the can is open and I cant cap it. I spend the next 6 months trying to stop my behaviors, and the harder I try the less control I seem to have.

sk80516 wrote:
I seem to be the king of pain
And it looks like every relationship I get into, after not to long I become a monster
And start to hurt those that, well I thought, I loved
And I do love them, so I am very upset I get stuck in these patterns


First of all, exactly how do you hurt them? You seem to be completely aware of what you are doing while you are doing it. What makes it so difficult for you to stop?


I am aware I am doing these behaviors, but seem to lack the self control to stop it, or see whats turning in my mind so I can reset without having a blow up. it did not seem to matter what I am upset about. It always wound up in the same fight, going to the same place every time. It's hard to find a solution, and I usually have to reset, might not even happen that day.
And after a couple months they are so emotionally exhausted with trying to make me happy or satisfied with life. I seem to take my partner for granted, and all I really wanted was that, a partner. all I do takes the life out of us both, and I see why they cant stay.
I have watched my father play this routine with my mother my whole life, but she has learned how to deal with that over the course of their 44 year marriage, and has figured out for the most part how to avoid conflict, there is still problems and always will be though.

sk80516 wrote:
I feel I should just leave, I also feel that I will do this in every relationship I have, that's a sad feeling but that has been the pattern in my relationships up till now
I have lost all hope that I will treat my partner well, all the time.
Is it easier to stop the pursuit of finding someone that can cope with my tendencies
Right now I feel being alone is the best for me, should I stop wanting affection forever ??
I will sleep better to know.... am I just meant to be alone????


You sound like you feel completely helpless to stop acting this way. The fact that you are aware enough of what you are doing to describe it here and say that you don't want it to be like that says that you are NOT helpless. You just need to examine your behaviors and what is causing them.


I don't want to be helpless, but that is how I feel when it comes to controlling this aspect of my life, I can turn anything I touch into gold, except my relationships
I thought knowing what I have would help me understand why I act out in this way, but all the research I have done has not helped me understand what triggers that and how to stop this from coming to the surface, and always on who I don't want it to.
I love these girls and they have given me their heart, time, and love
Only to break apart all they give, and make them feel like s**t
Maybe I fall for the wrong people I am not sure, but I am so afraid I will do this to everyone that gets that close to me, and I can't do that anymore
I also deep down don't want to give up on a search for someone right for me, I am a very loving guy and know I have good things to offer, and hopefully leave the bad behind on the next round.

If this sounds simplistic, I'm sorry. The process won't be that easy, I know.

Talk about the specifics here, or in a PM if you like. I don't think you should just give up.

Take care.



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18 Dec 2010, 2:34 pm

As for the pattern you seem to keep falling into with all of your relationships, I think that maybe you need to at least take a break from dating, period, and try to figure out why you act this way. AS may be part of it, but I highly doubt that it explains everything.

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I was alone for 5 years before I met her, so I thought that amount of time was a break for me to figure out how not to repeat my patterns, every girl I date (not many) is more attractive then before, the most recent has been the most patient also. there seems to be years between me finding someone I like, or that likes me.and I have a hard time understanding that, everywhere I go it seems everyone likes me, I am a very outgoing Aspie, I am a very social guy, most are suprised to hear I have AS, and people are warm and caring to me most of the time.
I live in a great place for meeting people, but I don't seem to gain friends or relationships easy. I only seem to become irritable after the first 6 months into the relationship, then it's like the can is open and I cant cap it. I spend the next 6 months trying to stop my behaviors, and the harder I try the less control I seem to have.


First of all, exactly how do you hurt them? You seem to be completely aware of what you are doing while you are doing it. What makes it so difficult for you to stop?


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I am aware I am doing these behaviors, but seem to lack the self control to stop it, or see whats turning in my mind so I can reset without having a blow up. it did not seem to matter what I am upset about. It always wound up in the same fight, going to the same place every time. It's hard to find a solution, and I usually have to reset, might not even happen that day.
And after a couple months they are so emotionally exhausted with trying to make me happy or satisfied with life. I seem to take my partner for granted, and all I really wanted was that, a partner. all I do takes the life out of us both, and I see why they cant stay.
I have watched my father play this routine with my mother my whole life, but she has learned how to deal with that over the course of their 44 year marriage, and has figured out for the most part how to avoid conflict, there is still problems and always will be though.


You sound like you feel completely helpless to stop acting this way. The fact that you are aware enough of what you are doing to describe it here and say that you don't want it to be like that says that you are NOT helpless. You just need to examine your behaviors and what is causing them.

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I don't want to be helpless, but that is how I feel when it comes to controlling this aspect of my life, I can turn anything I touch into gold, except my relationships
I thought knowing what I have would help me understand why I act out in this way, but all the research I have done has not helped me understand what triggers that and how to stop this from coming to the surface, and always on who I don't want it to.
I love these girls and they have given me their heart, time, and love
Only to break apart all they give, and make them feel like sh**
Maybe I fall for the wrong people I am not sure, but I am so afraid I will do this to everyone that gets that close to me, and I can't do that anymore
I also deep down don't want to give up on a search for someone right for me, I am a very loving guy and know I have good things to offer, and hopefully leave the bad behind on the next round.
Thank you all for your feedback and help



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18 Dec 2010, 5:12 pm

Okay, so you can identify a pattern: 6 months in this stuff starts happening. It sounds to me like at that point, being in the relationship is what is causing the problem. What Wombat said about having to "recharge" might be a clue--maybe there is just so long you can handle the "togetherness."

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I am aware I am doing these behaviors, but seem to lack the self control to stop it, or see whats turning in my mind so I can reset without having a blow up. it did not seem to matter what I am upset about. It always wound up in the same fight, going to the same place every time. It's hard to find a solution, and I usually have to reset, might not even happen that day.
And after a couple months they are so emotionally exhausted with trying to make me happy or satisfied with life. I seem to take my partner for granted, and all I really wanted was that, a partner. all I do takes the life out of us both, and I see why they cant stay.


So you take her "for granted" in that you assume that she'll stick around until you can "reset" yourself. I think you can probably see by now that that's not going to happen.

My suggestion is this (providing the woman in question will be willing): At the outset, tell her what tends to happen with you, and when. Explain that this has NOTHING to do with the person you're with--it happens because it's how you're "built/wired". At the six-month point, when you feel this starting, you should take a break from each other. I'm not sure if briefly dating other people would make sense/be desirable to either of you, but take a break from the relationship anyway. This does NOT have to be permanent. Keep talking to each other as much as possible (phone, text, e-mail)--don't lose touch. Then, after a month or so (or whenever it feels right), resume dating. Repeat this as much as you both need.

It may be that, after a while, you will feel this way less and less often. I personally know what too much "togetherness" can do. I love my bf a lot, and we would like to move in together soon, but we are going to need to find a place where we can retreat to separate corners (or even rooms), partially due to the kind of work we do and partially because we (mostly I, admittedly) need personal space, even from each other. This doesn't mean we love each other any less--we (again, mostly I) just need certain "accommodations" for the sake of preserving sanity.

I hope this helps. I think you have a lot to offer someone in a relationship, too. You (and she, whoever she ultimately is) just need to go about it in the right way.

Take care.


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18 Dec 2010, 8:45 pm

Thank you all for your advise, I think it can and will help

"So you take her "for granted" in that you assume that she'll stick around until you can "reset" yourself. I think you can probably see by now that that's not going to happen"

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I look at how I treat her, and when I treat her bad, I feel I am taking the wonderful beauty of being around them for granted. Most of the time this happens I seem to get set off by something, even small and little things, I don't see the trigger happening.
And I don't know why I just cant find peace, she tells me if it isn't one thing it's going to be another thing, and that I will always find something to complex about.
And the kicker is that I do want to be happy. I just seem to be all across the board and she has to walk on egg-shells to avoid conflict half of the time. She reads me very well, better then anyone thus far in life, and I cant seem to hide if there is something wrong.
Sometimes, allot, I don't know whats wrong, and sometimes there is not anything wrong but my face is saying a different story. I seem to be very unaware how I look, or affect other people.

This causes most of the problems in my life, I have always felt that I had no filter on emotions, and I say things in the battle that don't really process before they just come flying out of my mouth. If I am calm I can think about whats happening, when I get fired up I have a problem being rational and mature, and nice. I usually cannot reset fully until the next day. If problems did not get fixed, I start to build up resentments if they remain not ironed out, or simply skipped over in some cases.
I don't want to give up on our relationship, but it has been harder now that she has a boyfriend.
I cant help but feel replaced, and she says what I give her is not replaceable. but it has been two months now trying to be a friend again, nothing seems to be easy, and I feel tense when I do see her, and her house seems hard for me to hang out in now.
I hate to start all over new, she knows me better then anyone and that has taken patient time in learning me, she had made me very comfortable and I was mean to her in turn, I just don't get me? Does she know me to well? Can know-one get to close without me hurting them?
Is a simple friendship a possibility after our intimacy?



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18 Dec 2010, 9:22 pm

sk80516 wrote:
Thank you all for your advise, I think it can and will help


You're welcome.

sk80516 wrote:
"So you take her "for granted" in that you assume that she'll stick around until you can "reset" yourself. I think you can probably see by now that that's not going to happen"

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I look at how I treat her, and when I treat her bad, I feel I am taking the wonderful beauty of being around them for granted. Most of the time this happens I seem to get set off by something, even small and little things, I don't see the trigger happening.
And I don't know why I just cant find peace, she tells me if it isn't one thing it's going to be another thing, and that I will always find something to complex about.
And the kicker is that I do want to be happy. I just seem to be all across the board and she has to walk on egg-shells to avoid conflict half of the time. She reads me very well, better then anyone thus far in life, and I cant seem to hide if there is something wrong.
Sometimes, allot, I don't know whats wrong, and sometimes there is not anything wrong but my face is saying a different story. I seem to be very unaware how I look, or affect other people.


So it's not even about her--something else upsets you and you lash out. You don't realize that the person you are with can make stuff like that matter less. In cases like that, stop and look into her eyes, and remind yourself that no matter how bad things get, there she is. (I realize you are not with your ex anymore, but this is something to remember for a future relationship.)

The "facial expression not matching the emotion" thing is very common with AS. Anyone you have a relationship with needs to have that explained to her at the outset.

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This causes most of the problems in my life, I have always felt that I had no filter on emotions, and I say things in the battle that don't really process before they just come flying out of my mouth. If I am calm I can think about whats happening, when I get fired up I have a problem being rational and mature, and nice. I usually cannot reset fully until the next day. If problems did not get fixed, I start to build up resentments if they remain not ironed out, or simply skipped over in some cases.


Then they need to be addressed immediately, whether they are with your significant other or about another issue. Don't let things fester. A lot of people (with or without AS) react this way when things aren't resolved.

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I don't want to give up on our relationship, but it has been harder now that she has a boyfriend.
I cant help but feel replaced, and she says what I give her is not replaceable. but it has been two months now trying to be a friend again, nothing seems to be easy, and I feel tense when I do see her, and her house seems hard for me to hang out in now.
I hate to start all over new, she knows me better then anyone and that has taken patient time in learning me, she had made me very comfortable and I was mean to her in turn, I just don't get me? Does she know me to well? Can know-one get to close without me hurting them?
Is a simple friendship a possibility after our intimacy?


If it makes you uncomfortable, then maybe it isn't. Sometimes it's possible to keep a friendship with your ex, sometimes not. I personally don't have any experience in this area, but I've talked with other people. Some try, and it doesn't work. Others try, and it does, but there's some lingering "weirdness" because of the history. Others never want to speak to each other again (obviously not the case here) and a few manage okay. In other words, :shrug: .

It sounds like she still wants to be your friend. Do you know her new bf? Is he okay with it? That can matter a lot, too.

What do you give her that "is not replaceable" by her new bf?

If you're uncomfortable with trying to be "just friends," tell her this explicitly. Make sure she knows it's not her fault--it's just the way you feel. Go from there.

In either case, I'm glad my advice made some sense (there are times when I reread what I've typed and think "did I make myself clear?"). Whether you and your ex resume a relationship some months down the line, or you meet someone new, try doing what I suggested. I really hope it does help.

Take care.


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18 Dec 2010, 11:08 pm

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sk80516 wrote:
Thank you all for your advise, I think it can and will help


You're welcome.

sk80516 wrote:
"So you take her "for granted" in that you assume that she'll stick around until you can "reset" yourself. I think you can probably see by now that that's not going to happen"

Answer:
I look at how I treat her, and when I treat her bad, I feel I am taking the wonderful beauty of being around them for granted. Most of the time this happens I seem to get set off by something, even small and little things, I don't see the trigger happening.
And I don't know why I just cant find peace, she tells me if it isn't one thing it's going to be another thing, and that I will always find something to complex about.
And the kicker is that I do want to be happy. I just seem to be all across the board and she has to walk on egg-shells to avoid conflict half of the time. She reads me very well, better then anyone thus far in life, and I cant seem to hide if there is something wrong.
Sometimes, allot, I don't know whats wrong, and sometimes there is not anything wrong but my face is saying a different story. I seem to be very unaware how I look, or affect other people.


So it's not even about her--something else upsets you and you lash out. You don't realize that the person you are with can make stuff like that matter less. In cases like that, stop and look into her eyes, and remind yourself that no matter how bad things get, there she is. (I realize you are not with your ex anymore, but this is something to remember for a future relationship.)

The "facial expression not matching the emotion" thing is very common with AS. Anyone you have a relationship with needs to have that explained to her at the outset.

sk80516 wrote:
This causes most of the problems in my life, I have always felt that I had no filter on emotions, and I say things in the battle that don't really process before they just come flying out of my mouth. If I am calm I can think about whats happening, when I get fired up I have a problem being rational and mature, and nice. I usually cannot reset fully until the next day. If problems did not get fixed, I start to build up resentments if they remain not ironed out, or simply skipped over in some cases.


Then they need to be addressed immediately, whether they are with your significant other or about another issue. Don't let things fester. A lot of people (with or without AS) react this way when things aren't resolved.

sk80516 wrote:
I don't want to give up on our relationship, but it has been harder now that she has a boyfriend.
I cant help but feel replaced, and she says what I give her is not replaceable. but it has been two months now trying to be a friend again, nothing seems to be easy, and I feel tense when I do see her, and her house seems hard for me to hang out in now.
I hate to start all over new, she knows me better then anyone and that has taken patient time in learning me, she had made me very comfortable and I was mean to her in turn, I just don't get me? Does she know me to well? Can know-one get to close without me hurting them?
Is a simple friendship a possibility after our intimacy?


If it makes you uncomfortable, then maybe it isn't. Sometimes it's possible to keep a friendship with your ex, sometimes not. I personally don't have any experience in this area, but I've talked with other people. Some try, and it doesn't work. Others try, and it does, but there's some lingering "weirdness" because of the history. Others never want to speak to each other again (obviously not the case here) and a few manage okay. In other words, :shrug: .

It sounds like she still wants to be your friend. Do you know her new bf? Is he okay with it? That can matter a lot, too.

She met her new bf at a party we were both at, everyone at the party thought I was in a bad mood, and I was not really. She confronted me and got pissed that I was not in a great mood.
She kicked me out of the party, and that is the beginning of their relationship.
I did know him he works at a the local bar, and we got along before, but now it just feels weird and I feel like a 3rd wheel, he wants us to be friends

What do you give her that "is not replaceable" by her new bf?

I help her with her two twin girls, they are 2-1/2 years old. I did anything for her and them they needed, and watched the girls allot while mom is in school, studying, working.
She welcomed me into her family, and I loved that role. her new bf does not help in any way like I have, he does not watch the girls. She still wants me to be there for that, but otherwise we hardly see each other, and some might say she is using me, but I do love those 2 twins they have given me unconditional love. I miss all of them.

If you're uncomfortable with trying to be "just friends," tell her this explicitly. Make sure she knows it's not her fault--it's just the way you feel. Go from there.

Leaving her may be the best option, I don't know if I will ever be comfortable seeing her in someone else's arms, she had made me feel more comfortable then anyone had before, and I miss that light

In either case, I'm glad my advice made some sense (there are times when I reread what I've typed and think "did I make myself clear?"). Whether you and your ex resume a relationship some months down the line, or you meet someone new, try doing what I suggested. I really hope it does help.

Take care.



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sk80516 wrote:
She met her new bf at a party we were both at, everyone at the party thought I was in a bad mood, and I was not really. She confronted me and got pissed that I was not in a great mood.
She kicked me out of the party, and that is the beginning of their relationship.
I did know him he works at a the local bar, and we got along before, but now it just feels weird and I feel like a 3rd wheel, he wants us to be friends


Hmm...that seems rather abrupt. Is their relationship for real?

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I help her with her two twin girls, they are 2-1/2 years old. I did anything for her and them they needed, and watched the girls allot while mom is in school, studying, working.
She welcomed me into her family, and I loved that role. her new bf does not help in any way like I have, he does not watch the girls. She still wants me to be there for that, but otherwise we hardly see each other, and some might say she is using me, but I do love those 2 twins they have given me unconditional love. I miss all of them.


She may very well be using you, and not just for her daughters. Is she trying to string you along, thinking that maybe you'll get back together (in which case, she might be using the new bf too)?

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Leaving her may be the best option, I don't know if I will ever be comfortable seeing her in someone else's arms, she had made me feel more comfortable then anyone had before, and I miss that light


I'm not sure how you could ask her this tactfully, but...does she want you back, too? Is there any way you could just come out and ask her without her taking offense? I don't know enough about her personality to know if saying that would be okay or not.

For the sake of argument, assume for the moment that no, she doesn't, and her new relationship is for real. In that case, I would suggest detaching yourself. The situation is making you uncomfortable, and as much as you care about her girls (and her), if this is hurting you it's not healthy to stick around.

If she does want you back, however, you will both have a lot to deal with in trying again: the issues you've been dealing with, plus any residual negative feelings she might have (if any), not to mention the bf, who will be losing her.

Aargh. Relationships are complicated. :roll:

Try to find out if there's the slightest chance she still wants to be more than friends. That matters now.

Take care.


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19 Dec 2010, 3:03 am

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She met her new bf at a party we were both at, everyone at the party thought I was in a bad mood, and I was not really. She confronted me and got pissed that I was not in a great mood.
She kicked me out of the party, and that is the beginning of their relationship.
I did know him he works at a the local bar, and we got along before, but now it just feels weird and I feel like a 3rd wheel, he wants us to be friends


Hmm...that seems rather abrupt. Is their relationship for real?

Well I have been more hurt by the way it all went down more then the fact she wants a boyfriend, and like you put it very abrupt. I spent most of my time with her and that was kinda how it seemed she wanted it. Until it was time to go, them I became expendable in a blink of the eye. I know at times I treated her bad and she was at her limit, I am very sorry I did treat her bad and want to change, but I have a hard time with how this ended, or changed, or she ended it. I try to forgive her but I feel the wounds are still open & I don't know if I should
Sad, I have never felt this way, this deeply, and this in tune with anyone else

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I help her with her two twin girls, they are 2-1/2 years old. I did anything for her and them they needed, and watched the girls allot while mom is in school, studying, working.
She welcomed me into her family, and I loved that role. her new bf does not help in any way like I have, he does not watch the girls. She still wants me to be there for that, but otherwise we hardly see each other, and some might say she is using me, but I do love those 2 twins they have given me unconditional love. I miss all of them.


She may very well be using you, and not just for her daughters. Is she trying to string you along, thinking that maybe you'll get back together (in which case, she might be using the new bf too)?

In many ways I felt he was a tool she found to push me away. And the emotions I have felt since then have only pushed me farther away. Her beauty to me, and touch, has been missed more then I expected. And now when I am around her it is very hard for me to hold back how bitter and alone now I feel, and she reads me so well I cant hide anything.
She never wanted to be with me, that's part of the situation, she has been my best friend now for a little over a year. I always wanted us to be sexual, even if she was not my girlfriend. Maybe wrong of me, but I would have to hear all time time about how her sex life was not great though she has plenty of options, none that could satisfy her needs. And after some battles and convincing her, she finally gave in to me.
And it was way better then either of us imagined it would be, and that stayed that way, and our lives became more intertwined then ever for 9 months. in the last months my old habits of treating her bad, got worse and more intense. then there was that night 2 months ago.... and here I am today trying to make pieces fit, I don't know if they can now

sk80516 wrote:
Leaving her may be the best option, I don't know if I will ever be comfortable seeing her in someone else's arms, she had made me feel more comfortable then anyone had before, and I miss that light


I'm not sure how you could ask her this tactfully, but...does she want you back, too? Is there any way you could just come out and ask her without her taking offense? I don't know enough about her personality to know if saying that would be okay or not.

I know she wants me as a friend. If there was not a boyfriend I would still be attracted to her. Right now I don't feel that, if she was not with him I there is a good chance we would continue our physical relationship. I know we both gained from that feeling. I also know her new boyfriend is quite inexperienced, and would have a hard time keeping up with her sex drive.
To be honest i don't know I want her as my girlfriend, I would love that but she has not ever seen it that way. At times I felt more like a husband, and the duties I chose to do
She gets back from the mid-west in a couple of days from visiting her parents, and I am hoping we can propose a plan that could work for us both

For the sake of argument, assume for the moment that no, she doesn't, and her new relationship is for real. In that case, I would suggest detaching yourself. The situation is making you uncomfortable, and as much as you care about her girls (and her), if this is hurting you it's not healthy to stick around.

If she does want you back, however, you will both have a lot to deal with in trying again: the issues you've been dealing with, plus any residual negative feelings she might have (if any), not to mention the bf, who will be losing her.

Aargh. Relationships are complicated. :roll: That's funny, for me her name is Compli"Kate"ed

Try to find out if there's the slightest chance she still wants to be more than friends. That matters now.

Take care.



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19 Dec 2010, 2:51 pm

OP.....I think you're missing the third option: bring a "new and improved" you to your next relationship.

My impression of you (based on this post, and the other post you created about the same subject) is that you're a perfectionist. Perfectionists tend to think in "all or nothing" scenarios, e.g., I'll give up on dating forever, or I'll keep trying the same things I've been trying until I find the "right" woman. (That comment your ex made about you always finding something to be unhappy about also adds to my impression.) That's why I believe it hasn't occurred to you that it may be possible for you to have a successful relationship - if you're willing to make some changes first.

You've mentioned that your mom has "stuck by" your Aspie dad for more than 40 years of marriage, but you haven't mentioned if your parents have a happy marriage. Honestly, there are lots of reasons your mother has chosen to stay with your dad that may have nothing to do with happiness or mutual satisfaction. Because you've used terms like "stuck by," I'm inclined to think their marriage may not be all that happy.

It's important for you to understand that the model of marriage you've had is your parents' marriage: they've taught you what you know about it. Because you see your mom "sticking by" your dad (which I'm assuming means she tolerates his negative behaviors), you believe that's what marriage is: a woman willing to permanently tolerate all your negative behaviors. You may even be subconsciously triggering negative behaviors in order to "test" the women you have relationships with - to see if they'll "stick" with you.

So....that's a recipe for disaster when it comes to relationships: you have to be willing to do your share of the heavy lifting. That means you have to take responsibility for changing the behaviors you can change. For example, you're aware that you have a problem with saying really hurtful things "in the heat of the moment." The impression I have from your posts is that you say these things, although you know you really don't mean them - but you feel powerless to stop yourself "in the moment." Have you considered stopping yourself before you get to that moment? Have you considered fully explaining these situations to your partner, e.g., the triggers involved, the physical changes she may see in you, how your mental processes are different during that kind of stress, that you really can't control what's coming out of your mouth then, etc.? Obviously, you need to develop some coping skills to avoid those situations, for example, walk away and spend time alone until you've regained a sense of equilibrium.

Being in a successful Aspie/NT relationship requires cooperation and understanding and extra work - from both partners. I hope you'll consider finding a therapist - with expertise in Asperger's - who can help you develop the coping skills you need to ensure your next relationship has a better chance of succeeding. I'm not optimistic that you can be "friends" with your ex at this point in time. You have an awful lot of unresolved feelings for her, and I don't see that hanging out with her and her new bf is going to benefit you. Since she does still seem to care about you, she may be willing to attend some therapy sessions, in order to give the therapist a view into your relationship - from her perspective. That kind of input can be incredibly valuable in terms of helping you understand how your partner sees you. I know this is very difficult, but I believe that if you're willing to make some changes, you'll have a better chance of finding happiness in your next relationship. Good luck.


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19 Dec 2010, 3:50 pm

sk80516 wrote:
She gets back from the mid-west in a couple of days from visiting her parents, and I am hoping we can propose a plan that could work for us both


I agree that talking about all of this is a good idea. Also, everything that HopeGrows said makes a lot of sense--I hope you'll take it into consideration.

Take care, and whatever happens, I wish you well. :)


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