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30 Mar 2011, 7:40 am

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?


Depends on the woman.



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30 Mar 2011, 7:56 am

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?


I think it's better to just be genuine.



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30 Mar 2011, 9:01 am

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?


Definitely a load of bull****. A girl with good self-esteem walks away as soon as she gets the chance. It's fine to be confident and have opinions of your own, but that doesn't equal to treating a girl badly. I need to agree with Manny Calavera here, it's much better to be genuine.


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31 Mar 2011, 4:56 am

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?

I think mostly it would backfire and the woman would dump you. But sometimes people get stuck on a problem with a partner, and they get so focussed on solving it that they don't notice that they're incompatible anyway. I put tons of energy into one lady who was treating me like dirt, but the worm turned eventually, and I left her. I suppose there could be some folks who were brought up with so much cruelty that they can't cope without it, but I think most of the ones who had a cruel parent are more likely to pick an abusive partner just so they can get their own back for the original abuse. On the other hand, don't mistake non-cruelty for being "too nice" - standing up for yourself is perhaps a mild form of cruelty, but it tends to command respect, and the only people it will drive away are people who can't deal with conflict and people who just want their own way for everything....so it's a good filter, if you can do it.



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03 Apr 2011, 9:45 am

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?

I've only been nice to girls and its got me no where and all the guys i know with a girlfriend treat them mean to keep them keen...



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HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?

I've only been nice to girls and its got me no where and all the guys i know with a girlfriend treat them mean to keep them keen...


I highly-doubt your "niceness" is a turnoff- if it is, you're simply not approaching the right kind of woman.

And...the men who treat women like sh*t, when they have girlfriends, will naturally be with women who tolerate being treated like sh*t.

That says nothing of most women.


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08 Apr 2011, 2:20 pm

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TB_TB_TB_TB_TB_TB wrote:
HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?

I've only been nice to girls and its got me no where and all the guys i know with a girlfriend treat them mean to keep them keen...


I highly-doubt your "niceness" is a turnoff- if it is, you're simply not approaching the right kind of woman.

And...the men who treat women like sh*t, when they have girlfriends, will naturally be with women who tolerate being treated like sh*t.

That says nothing of most women.


I agree with Bethie women who like being treated like s**t have low low selfesteam issues you cant be to nice though show some backbone nice guys end up in the friend zone to often but some girls go after nice guys



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08 Apr 2011, 4:29 pm

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?


That's true if you are dating a woman that hates herself. It's not hard to spot them. The tall, skinny girl with too much makeup and an arrogant sneer on her face, all to mask her insecurities, will get mad if you treat her well, because she doesn't treat herself well, and so she wants a guy to treat her as badly as she treats herself. So the person that told you that probably hates himself as well. If you are honest with yourself, then you must go for girls that are honest with themselves, or it won't work.

As for nice guys and love, most people are liars. So if you aren't a liar, your selection is narrowed by quite a bit.



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11 Apr 2011, 8:18 am

Up to a point it's pretty true in some cases. I've been knocked back by girls who have hidden conditions themselves so it isn't just those who don't have syndromes and the like...

Although I wouldn't say it's exactly true either...I have seen happy couples where the guy is normally a Beta Male or not confident enough so there is still hope for those who are nice.

I do get annoyed sometimes where I sometimes talk to girls I know from school/friends of friends etc that say something really stupid like "I don't want to be alone/a virgin at such an age", that is when I lose hope in some people where a comment like that makes me think "Gee...no wonder you haven't got a boyfriend", but overall...it depends on the girl and if they don't date nice guys then the chances are...they weren't probably going to go for a nice guy in the first place.

One scenario I was pretty shocked about was a girl I liked where she talked about trying a relationship with a guy with AS and she pretty much told me that "It doesn't seem like a good idea to date guys with AS", she gave me reasons that, although plausable on why she wouldn't date a guy in general...she also pointed out his obsessions...which was targeting his AS...I kind of got put off by her by that time (I kind of hinted also that she wouldn't like me then...which was proved a year later anyway)...so I guess some girls just aren't as accepting either...

Oh, sorry about that long rant but td:lr; Depends on the girl...they have to understand some guys are "different", blah blah.



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11 Apr 2011, 9:34 am

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One scenario I was pretty shocked about was a girl I liked where she talked about trying a relationship with a guy with AS and she pretty much told me that "It doesn't seem like a good idea to date guys with AS", she gave me reasons that, although plausable on why she wouldn't date a guy in general...she also pointed out his obsessions...which was targeting his AS...I kind of got put off by her by that time (I kind of hinted also that she wouldn't like me then...which was proved a year later anyway)...so I guess some girls just aren't as accepting either...

I hate to play devil's advocate here, but obsessional special interests can be pretty heartbreaking for a partner who needs a bit of love and attention now and then. Though I agree it's a shame she didn't just stick to the traits she had problems with, and simply say that she doesn't want to be abandoned, rather than tarring us all with one brush. If I were free, I'd not hesitate to date an Aspie, but I'd check pretty carefully to make sure they weren't already happily married to their special interests. It's not confined to Aspies of course:
http://socyberty.com/relationships/what ... olf-widow/



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11 Apr 2011, 10:26 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I hate to play devil's advocate here, but obsessional special interests can be pretty heartbreaking for a partner who needs a bit of love and attention now and then. Though I agree it's a shame she didn't just stick to the traits she had problems with, and simply say that she doesn't want to be abandoned, rather than tarring us all with one brush. If I were free, I'd not hesitate to date an Aspie, but I'd check pretty carefully to make sure they weren't already happily married to their special interests. It's not confined to Aspies of course:
http://socyberty.com/relationships/what ... olf-widow/


I definately agree with you about obsessional special interests as I was told the guy "practically worships his skateboard", but at the same time people tend to change interests and maybe she should have questioned whether they should be even dating rather then telling me (of all people...not sure if she knew then if I had it) about the negatives.

Me too, but yeah, it can be hard to tell whether they are too dedicated to something...I seem to not be as obsessive as I once was (or ever was, I have no clue really), although I can be very forgiving and perhaps even accepting, depending on what the subject is.

lol, nice...does that mean Tiger Woods' 10 girlfriend's are all Widowed? :)



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12 Apr 2011, 8:54 pm

HodgeieHodgeMarcel wrote:
Someone told me that you have to treat a woman mean to keep them keen. I think thats a load of BS. :wall: what do u think?


I think it's BS. Even though there was one girl I'd been trying to go out with for the past year. She kept telling me she'd think about it. Then a few days later she starts dating this guy whose ugly and a complete jerk. People told me if I treat her like crap she'd want to go out with me. I just can't do that because I care too much about her. I'm too nice of a guy. :?



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17 Apr 2011, 12:46 pm

Jerks are interesting and a challenge, which can gloss over flaws for a short time.
When the gloss rubs off, jerks are swiftly left or evolve into domestic abusers.

Nice guys? Nice guys are just.. Guys.
They have no gloss to hide flaws, and if those flaws are intolerable to the girl they desire, they weep and wail and gnash their teeth, and blame being a nice guy or the mythical friendzone.

It was not either of those things, it was your flaws.
Find a girl who dislikes other flaws more and is also compatible with you.


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20 Apr 2011, 6:56 pm

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I would argue that America is way more liberal than Europe as a whole, I do not know much about Finland but I would say that on a percentage basis America is way more liberal especially for women. Consider this high rate of divorce, only 50% of women ages 15-40 have children, all over our media there are instances of women cheating, extramarital affairs, women who randomly hook up with guys, on television worse, bad girls club, kim kardashian, paris Hilton, …..etc etc. Women are as free as the wind in America. I am a women’s studies minor who participated in high level collegiate classes such as “feminist theory”, “women in western religion” , “women in athletics”.

In high school, there would be girls who slept with whomever they wanted, college, my entire life I have seen women like this, there are also women who choose a different path, some long term commitment. But irrespective of “women’s right’s” for the right set of conditions (ie $, fame, looks, personality, intelligence) some women would settle down.

Also lifestyle should not be defined by gender, it should be defined by ones personality, innate tendencies, behaviors, yet social norms, the media have impressed so much upon the younger generations and people of dating age through gorilla capitalism.

I would have to disagree with you that the prototype 1 men get booted, they don’t they do the booting, and they have the choice to continue life as a successful bachelor until old age or the can choose to commit.

I have had four serious relationships in my life, the first was in high school for a year, a second in college for a year, third and fourth in Colombia, one was 4 months the other was 6 months. I appreciate you comment and compliment, I do have wits but if a girl doesn’t give me the time of day , how will she now? I have looks but they aren’t good enough to not stay lonely.

Considering my dating history and statistics (population, gender ratio, and lifestyle) in America, I feel that is highly improbable that I will meet someone of merit, let alone experience human touch in the near future.

I appreciate your list of hints I will try to bring them to the forefront of my mind yet I feel like they have already been there...... ; I consider myself a good dresser and feel this entirely subjective upon women, different cloths, and different women. I try and look good; I enjoy diesel jeans, nice sneakers, nice shirt. Try and stay comfortable and stylish. I look great in a suit.

I am almost always and always have been a great listener in my relationships. In fact 3/4 of my ex girlfriend have nothing bad to say about me, in fact they all say great things about me, the fourth got married and I don't keep in touch with.

I don’t believe in the “eager” thing, but in the beginning you are right, in my past relationships, they have all started and moved very fast, IE talked on facebook for a day , lunch date on a Friday, talked for 4 hours, took a walk in the park on a sunny day, she left for a meeting, called me a few hours later, came over watched a dvd, waited until 12:01 to make love, she stayed for the entire weekend and then she moved in two weeks later, we were together for a year.

“space” is just a word for “another guy” “uncertainty” “lack of feelings”……. And in America, “space” is considered the norm, it’s ok for girls night out and kiss another guy for some women.

I try to be as interesting as I can but I don’t want to be fake so… If I run out of ideas… I kind of tell her.

I try not to talk about my past until she wants to know because it is deep , sad . . . .

I have never hurt the girl.

Bisexuality is statistically higher in women than men, many women in America want to , or have experienced sexual relations with a female partner, so again I can not agree with you there.


Few essential points: NEVER refer to "... more than Europe as a whole", you are talking about a very varied bundle of different cultures. Secondly, you ought see statistics about Finland and other Northern European countries, where the standard of living is according to statistics, currently the highest in the world, as well as the level of the education (especially in Finland). Newsweek's research named Finland as the best country to live in. Never say to a Nothern European person that you seriously believe that women are doing better in the States, I guarantee that you will be laughed at. Finland and Iceland are ranked as the best countries for women. I already mentioned the portion of women in politics in Finland, I can add the portion of MPs is 50% (female ministers 60% and a female president of 11 years and (already second) female prime minister) and there are a number of women in the lead of the business and banking world (at all leading posts). Women are statistically better paid and educated in Finland than the US. I know far more many men who stay at home with children (I don't know any women, in fact) and I know a vast number of couples who have taken her last name at marriage. The free lifestyle of women in US that you mention is not awed at in Finland, it is taken for granted. I admit there are less skimpy dressed drunken women in national television over here, as that's generally speaking considered as demeaning. Women are respected in local media. Women can be very open about their sexuality with much more sophistication. (They do show US programmes as well, though, but admiration isn't the reaction) I am a young lady who has travelled to more than 25 countries by herself, that is fairly normal. A lot of women never marry, over here they marry for love, as at clear majority of the time their standard of living wouldn't increase at all on any other level. They already have the fortune, status and opportunities for sex that they can want. And over here, it's certainly the women who do the booting to the prototype 1s.

I've never done dating, it's not interesting for me. Sexual adventures are a very different matter. I have only had one relationship (for 2 years) and it's still going on.

If you know what you want and you have everything, all should be ideal for you. If there are women of appropriate age group around you, everything's probable, do try not to refer to your past dating history. I'm glad, if you appreciated my hints.

Bisexuality isn't really a matter of agreeing, it's something that just "is". Statistically there are less bisexual women than straight, so you can't say my odds to seduce a woman are better than yours.



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22 Apr 2011, 12:21 pm

Nice Guy finish last, I wish they didn't. :(



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23 Apr 2011, 11:54 pm

I am a nice guy and i finish first, just have to wade through the trailer park trash of these sleazy, low values, self conceded females that are all over the place.