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30 Nov 2010, 9:59 pm

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Now, there's another guy who sits/stands by himself, is quiet. It's fairly obvious that he's uncomfortable in the situation he's in. He's not bad looking, but has no real social presence. I'd bet quite a few dollars that the vast majority of women in that room, shallow or not, would be far more attracted to the first guy than the second guy.


So does that mean you'd pick quantity over quality?

If there's a woman in the room who likes the quiet guy even if he has no real social presence, what does it matter that the vast majority of women aren't attracted to him?

I'm just trying to show that it's not true that only shallow women would be attracted to the first man.

As to your second statement, that's just it. There has to be a woman in the room who's attracted to the quiet guy. In my experience, that has never been the case.


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30 Nov 2010, 10:28 pm

katzefrau wrote:
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Now, there's another guy who sits/stands by himself, is quiet. It's fairly obvious that he's uncomfortable in the situation he's in. He's not bad looking, but has no real social presence. I'd bet quite a few dollars that the vast majority of women in that room, shallow or not, would be far more attracted to the first guy than the second guy.


So does that mean you'd pick quantity over quality?

If there's a woman in the room who likes the quiet guy even if he has no real social presence, what does it matter that the vast majority of women aren't attracted to him?

I'm just trying to show that it's not true that only shallow women would be attracted to the first man.

As to your second statement, that's just it. There has to be a woman in the room who's attracted to the quiet guy. In my experience, that has never been the case.


there are 6,884,935,532 people in the world.

You're not tryin to say I should have a chance to meet all of them are you?



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30 Nov 2010, 11:29 pm

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I do think most people are missing the point, however. The surest way I know to "improve your chances" is to be yourself and not worry about "improving your chances". It's my experience that the people who are going to be attracted to you are probably going to be attracted to you anyway, so I don't see much point in going out of your way to try and swing things in your favor.

I guess it depends on who "yourself" is. If being yourself means you only talk to people who start conversations with you, you probably won't have much luck. If being yourself means only going to hobbies/events/activities that don't attract women to participate, being yourself won't do much good.


I understand what you're saying and I truly sympathize, but I still think your chances are better with someone with whom you clicked because of who you really are, than you are with someone who you managed to snare by artificial means.

And if there really are no women in the places and situations where you find yourself, then perhaps it's time to think about expanding your world. Just a thought.


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01 Dec 2010, 7:53 am

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7.)If a woman that you aren't dating or sleeping with is telling you about her problems, it means that you're essentially in the friend zone. She views you as understanding like one of her female friends. If you sense she's just using you for a shoulder to cry on, a cab, etc., just cut her off. No explanation necessary. If it's a true friend but you find her bringing her problems to you, tell her simply "Maybe you should be talking to one of your girl friends about this." She will respect you and treat you like a potential dating interest.




I'm going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women, NT or Aspie, would hardly respect a person who treats people this way, let alone want to date them. If a dude isn't even interested in being my friend, why the hell should he become something more?


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01 Dec 2010, 3:12 pm

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7.)If a woman that you aren't dating or sleeping with is telling you about her problems, it means that you're essentially in the friend zone. She views you as understanding like one of her female friends. If you sense she's just using you for a shoulder to cry on, a cab, etc., just cut her off. No explanation necessary. If it's a true friend but you find her bringing her problems to you, tell her simply "Maybe you should be talking to one of your girl friends about this." She will respect you and treat you like a potential dating interest.




I'm going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women, NT or Aspie, would hardly respect a person who treats people this way, let alone want to date them. If a dude isn't even interested in being my friend, why the hell should he become something more?

true, true. i :heart: your answer. and where the heck have you been, Bethie? missed your wisdom around here!


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01 Dec 2010, 5:13 pm

Bethie wrote:
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7.)If a woman that you aren't dating or sleeping with is telling you about her problems, it means that you're essentially in the friend zone. She views you as understanding like one of her female friends. If you sense she's just using you for a shoulder to cry on, a cab, etc., just cut her off. No explanation necessary. If it's a true friend but you find her bringing her problems to you, tell her simply "Maybe you should be talking to one of your girl friends about this." She will respect you and treat you like a potential dating interest.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women, NT or Aspie, would hardly respect a person who treats people this way, let alone want to date them. If a dude isn't even interested in being my friend, why the hell should he become something more?


I have to back the original poster actually, but only in cases where the guy wants to date the girl. If he's being nice to her out of friendship, that's wonderful and a different story. However, this is just another warning to so-called "nice guys" who believe they can gain a girl's affection through kindness. Attraction can't be changed this way.

If a guy wants to date a girl, and does nice things for her, that's great and good luck to him. It just gets ugly if a girl knows this, let's him keep going, yet isn't firm in the fact she has no intention of dating him. Then you have a user and a delusional fool, and nothing good can come from that.

Guess I can't agree with the last part of the rule either. If she's a true friend, why the hell would you want to turn her into dating material anyway? Good friends are too valuable.



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01 Dec 2010, 5:28 pm

Here is how to woo the woman of your dreams.

Find out where she lives, then appear at her house with a pickup truck full of wood and an axe. It is absolutely imperative to wear the proper attire: a sleeveless unbuttoned flannel shirt, cutoff jean shorts (stone-washed preferably) and cowboy boots (spurs are bonus points). Your bare chest should be exposed revealing a luxurious forest of manly chest hair. If you have not been thus endowed with man insulation, a trip to your local barber shop will suffice. Shrug off the strange looks you get as you paste the clippings to your proud breast. They clearly dont know anything about women.
Your arms should be covered with tatoos. If you don't have tatoos and don't have the time, money or pain tolerance, you can make a quick stop at a carnival where face painters will gladly paint things like rainbows and unicorns all over your arms. Women like those things.
Women also like comb-overs. Shave your head leaving the sides and back as per male pattern baldness. If your hair was long you should be able to comb it over with no problem. If your hair was short, go back to the barber shop and grease some abandoned locks across your dome. Now you're ready.
When you arrive at her house scatter a few beer cans to show you can handle your booze. Then blast some Foreigner from the truck while you chop wood on her front lawn. Take a few puffs on the cigar hanging from your lip while leaning on your axe and tipping your sunglasses making a seductive look at her through the parted curtains. When you know she is watching play some air guitar with the axe along with the music. In a matter of seconds she will throw on a bikini and come running into your arms. She will immediately smell the garlic infused cat urine you rolled around in driving her to a frenzy of erotic desire.


Note: If the police show up it is probably a female officer who wants you for herself.



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01 Dec 2010, 10:57 pm

Bethie wrote:
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7.)If a woman that you aren't dating or sleeping with is telling you about her problems, it means that you're essentially in the friend zone. She views you as understanding like one of her female friends. If you sense she's just using you for a shoulder to cry on, a cab, etc., just cut her off. No explanation necessary. If it's a true friend but you find her bringing her problems to you, tell her simply "Maybe you should be talking to one of your girl friends about this." She will respect you and treat you like a potential dating interest.




I'm going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women, NT or Aspie, would hardly respect a person who treats people this way, let alone want to date them. If a dude isn't even interested in being my friend, why the hell should he become something more?


completely agree with all of this, especially the bolded.

i've spoken about this ("rule no. 7") previously in this thread but it's coming from a bad place.


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02 Dec 2010, 5:01 am

I want to take back part of what I said in "7"...the part about if she's a true friend and talking about her problems...if she's indeed a true friend (meaning the guy just expects friendship out of her and the girl isn't a user) then that's what friends do...help each other with their problems.

I was referring to when a guy wants her as more than a friend and is only listening to her to try to impress her, and/or she doesn't view him as a friend, but just a designated person to vent to.



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02 Dec 2010, 5:19 am

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Here is how to woo the woman of your dreams.

Find out where she lives, then appear at her house with a pickup truck full of wood and an axe. It is absolutely imperative to wear the proper attire: a sleeveless unbuttoned flannel shirt, cutoff jean shorts (stone-washed preferably) and cowboy boots (spurs are bonus points). Your bare chest should be exposed revealing a luxurious forest of manly chest hair. If you have not been thus endowed with man insulation, a trip to your local barber shop will suffice. Shrug off the strange looks you get as you paste the clippings to your proud breast. They clearly dont know anything about women.
Your arms should be covered with tatoos. If you don't have tatoos and don't have the time, money or pain tolerance, you can make a quick stop at a carnival where face painters will gladly paint things like rainbows and unicorns all over your arms. Women like those things.
Women also like comb-overs. Shave your head leaving the sides and back as per male pattern baldness. If your hair was long you should be able to comb it over with no problem. If your hair was short, go back to the barber shop and grease some abandoned locks across your dome. Now you're ready.
When you arrive at her house scatter a few beer cans to show you can handle your booze. Then blast some Foreigner from the truck while you chop wood on her front lawn. Take a few puffs on the cigar hanging from your lip while leaning on your axe and tipping your sunglasses making a seductive look at her through the parted curtains. When you know she is watching play some air guitar with the axe along with the music. In a matter of seconds she will throw on a bikini and come running into your arms. She will immediately smell the garlic infused cat urine you rolled around in driving her to a frenzy of erotic desire.


Note: If the police show up it is probably a female officer who wants you for herself.


LOL you really know how to impress a lady - I like you already Image


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02 Dec 2010, 11:27 am

Sterfry really knows his stuff. That's how I landed the hottest girl in school. She had the prettiest buck teeth I've ever seen, a nice shade of yellow, with wild scraggly black hair and hairy legs. She loved my tattoo that said "Mack Truck" on it.

That, and I have confidence, i.e. I know who I am, and I accept myself for who I am, flaws and strengths alike. Women ALWAYS know if you aren't confident. A better word for confidence is "not so insecure that she, and everyone else, notices before she starts talking to you" Think of the most popular guy in school. Didn't he radiate confidence? He was an ass too, wasn't he? Yeah, but he radiated that charisma, because as it turns out, extremely aggressive people think very highly of themselves! Who would have thought? It's just like if you see a really hot girl that obviously has an attitude. You might skip past the attitude part, and just because of her looks you give her a chance. Now, with girls, she ignores the fact that she is on the South Beach Diet and he is on the Fecal Diet, and gives him a chance because he has the charisma. The main difference is that guys are supposed to pursue girls, not the other way around.

So if you aren't pursuing her, and the next guy is...Think of it as a business deal, or a job interview. Don't make this more complicated than it is! :roll: If you do, you will never understand it. And by the way, everyone is insecure about something, because nobody is perfect. Don't think these other guys know it all. They don't, but they act like they do. Kind of like Kilroy, only these guys actually get women, because they don't mope, and they know the difference between confidence and arrogance, or at least how to give off the illusion.

And for the love of crap, don't decide FOR HER that she likes you! That's up to her to decide, not you. Do you fancy the idea of a stage 5 clinger? Neither do I. I'm not Linus, and I don't need a blanket.

EDIT: Remember something very important. You are NOT different, and you are NOT special. Every nice guy thinks that. Kind of like everyone thinks they know how to solve political and economic problems in any given country, or how (at least in the US) every football fan is an NFL draft expert. The goal should be to get to know her, not to get her to know you.



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20 Aug 2011, 2:28 pm

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I do think most people are missing the point, however. The surest way I know to "improve your chances" is to be yourself and not worry about "improving your chances". It's my experience that the people who are going to be attracted to you are probably going to be attracted to you anyway, so I don't see much point in going out of your way to try and swing things in your favor.

I guess it depends on who "yourself" is. If being yourself means you only talk to people who start conversations with you, you probably won't have much luck. If being yourself means only going to hobbies/events/activities that don't attract women to participate, being yourself won't do much good.

That's why I think stuff like Magic and WoW can serve as a firewall to keep aspie men from socializing - and I'm not talking a Cisco PIX or SonicWall either!

There are people that play video games, but games like Halo and CoD are IMO more socially acceptable. The Madden series is good too.





Sports games like Madden are the only ones I play. The only non-sports titles in my collection are Saints Row 2 & Grand Theft Auto. It's not like I'm a super-geek or something!



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21 Aug 2011, 1:54 am

If one just goes after his or hers good drive in relationship-wise, and doesn't always think what other people may think, I think that's the way to improve one's chances with women. :D



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1.)If you have any excessive depression problems, get rid of those via cognitive therapy and/or medication. No woman likes a downer, as has been proven by the women on this site. Even those with low self-esteem themselves seek out a guy who isn't like them.


Women and their cruel rejections have made me depressed in the first place. As for women with low self-esteem wanting more confident men, can we say double standard?

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2,)Maximize your physical appearance. What I mean is, if you're out of shape, lose the weight, or as much as possible. If you have a bad haircut or bad style, seek opinions of those you can count on for giving you brutal, constructive criticism. This stuff doesn't matter to every woman...and yes, I know you see plenty of unkempt or sub par looking men with women...but they have the above average social skills to compensate. As an awkward man, you need any advantage you can get.


I'm pale, bespectacled, freckled, brown-eyed, and have a receding hairline. Losing weight and/or getting a different haircut won't help these things.

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3.)Be open to a lot of women. We all have things that don't attract us no matter what...but other than that, be open to all possibilities. I read a post on here with a guy showing a picture of his dream girl and saying "That's who I want, only with bigger boobs." (And her boobs were big to begin with.) A lot of the "ideal" is just having too much time to fantasize and think about what you potentially want in partner. When you're actually in the dating game, most of that stuff goes out the window, and no girlfriend wants to be compared to some ideal. They want to be the ideal.


And if I said that I would take any women, you'd say that I was being too desperate and turned women off.

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4.)If you're too shy to talk to any women in person, make online female friends. Once again, don't have to be a certain look...just get to know them (if they're open to getting to know you), talk to them like you would a guy friend (leaving out excessive sex talk of course) and don't be timid with them. Even online, they can see which guy is trying too hard and which guy is treating her like she's anyone else. If you build enough rapport, meet her. Even if it doesn't result in a girlfriend, at the very least you'll have made a new friend or learned how to interact with a woman on a first meeting.


Women won't even be on-line friends with me...they hate me even more than real-life ones, in fact.

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5.)Know that a lot of NT women go on emotions. It's more about how you make them feel. You ever hear from a girl "I'm not feeling it?" The way some men go ga-ga over a girl simply over her looks...a lot of women do the same thing with a guy. She likes his look and the "idea" of him and her emotions overtake logic even if he's bad for her. (Disclaimer: I know a lot of men do the same thing, too,) Just realize it's likely nothing you did. She just wasn't feeling it.


How many excuses will you make for bad female behavior?

Here are the real ways to get women:

1. Be good-looking

2. Be rich

3. Be a bad boy thug

If you don't meet one of the above three criteria, getting a girlfriend is like winning the lottery.



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SadAspy wrote:
nilescrane wrote:
1.)If you have any excessive depression problems, get rid of those via cognitive therapy and/or medication. No woman likes a downer, as has been proven by the women on this site. Even those with low self-esteem themselves seek out a guy who isn't like them.


Women and their cruel rejections have made me depressed in the first place. As for women with low self-esteem wanting more confident men, can we say double standard? .

We can also say double standard on you not being nice towards women yet expecting them to be nice to you.
on topic: females with low self steem/depression have similar trouble finding a partner. ie: look at Erisad she had no self steem and she complained about all males being pigs and only into thin girls, then she developed some self respect and she has had one partner(another one on the way) since then. One could argue that her partner was a bit disfunctional/too attached to his mum but the point is she started loving herself and thats when others started to see her differently and thats what he is suggesting.

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2,)Maximize your physical appearance. What I mean is, if you're out of shape, lose the weight, or as much as possible. If you have a bad haircut or bad style, seek opinions of those you can count on for giving you brutal, constructive criticism. This stuff doesn't matter to every woman...and yes, I know you see plenty of unkempt or sub par looking men with women...but they have the above average social skills to compensate. As an awkward man, you need any advantage you can get.


I'm pale, bespectacled, freckled, brown-eyed, and have a receding hairline. Losing weight and/or getting a different haircut won't help these things.[/quote]
I´m bespectacled and have a receding hairline(long history of baldness in my family been made fun of because of this since I was 12) but I can assure you that with all this things going on I´m more succesfull when I try to approach others if Im wearing clothes that are in style than if Im wearing a geeky shirt from a cd released when I was 3.
As a matter of fact even the right glasses can make a difference,Ive been mocked because of my glasses since I was 6 and a couple of years ago I fell in love with some vintage rayban glasses, apparently they suit me well or something and Ive received several comments on them by people I barely knew, so its a matter of finding the right glasses for you.
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3.)Be open to a lot of women. We all have things that don't attract us no matter what...but other than that, be open to all possibilities. I read a post on here with a guy showing a picture of his dream girl and saying "That's who I want, only with bigger boobs." (And her boobs were big to begin with.) A lot of the "ideal" is just having too much time to fantasize and think about what you potentially want in partner. When you're actually in the dating game, most of that stuff goes out the window, and no girlfriend wants to be compared to some ideal. They want to be the ideal.


And if I said that I would take any women, you'd say that I was being too desperate and turned women off.

You can take any women if thats what you wish but try to show them that you are interested on them for something that goes beyond the fact that they are female.
Nobody wants to feel used and if you start showing interest in every women this women will get the feeling that you just want to use them and thats why you dont care whom.
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4.)If you're too shy to talk to any women in person, make online female friends. Once again, don't have to be a certain look...just get to know them (if they're open to getting to know you), talk to them like you would a guy friend (leaving out excessive sex talk of course) and don't be timid with them. Even online, they can see which guy is trying too hard and which guy is treating her like she's anyone else. If you build enough rapport, meet her. Even if it doesn't result in a girlfriend, at the very least you'll have made a new friend or learned how to interact with a woman on a first meeting.


Women won't even be on-line friends with me...they hate me even more than real-life ones, in fact.

I already suggested you tried to approach women in a less agressive way. I know very few people that became friends by calling each other out on a public forum whereas I know several stories about a guy asking for a second chance over a pm and things working out perfectly.
Also as I stated previously a pm exchange is not a life commitment and you should understand that before you get into another one.
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How many excuses will you make for bad female behavior?

Here are the real ways to get women:

1. Be good-looking

2. Be rich

3. Be a bad boy thug

If you don't meet one of the above three criteria, getting a girlfriend is like winning the lottery.

This arent excuses, this are well-established facts that have helped plenty of people, same way its a fact that you are only pretending to be a nice guy and women can see through that and your only way of finding a partner is losing that attitude.

As for your last 3 points they are flawed, I´m not that bad looking and I have plenty of money yet I have been turned down by several women that have gone to guys that looked similar to me and had less money. This is explained by the fact that I was a self-centered person/even more socially awkward than now since I hadnt heard of as but it proves that your last three statements are flawed


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22 Aug 2011, 10:09 am

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We can also say double standard on you not being nice towards women yet expecting them to be nice to you.
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Yeah, the posts I've made on this forum over the last couple weeks are symptomatic of how I've treated women my entire 28 years on this planet. Lame argument dude. I have been nothing but nice to women in real life....they have treated me like s**t in return. I simply decided to start calling them on their "I like respectful guys tee hee" bs.