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28 Oct 2011, 4:25 pm

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Assuming that the OP has any validity as a problem, what solutions are being offered?

A lottery whereby 1 out of every 100 marriage licenses is denied unless one or both persons happens to be paralyzed?

A law requiring that all second marriages include at least one disabled person?

Another law requiring all "Green Card" immigrant marriages be to a disabled American citizen?

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People will always use the biology thing, but I think there's more to it than that. Society and humans are decaying, and changing for the worst. It's like we are going through a de-evolutionary state. Even if gender ratios were corrected, I bet women would still always be disastrously selective and go for a certain percentage of men, and still leaving the rest in the dark. I'm a firm believer that women would opt (as they already do) to be alone then go with a guy they deem "undesireable". Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him. Not have him live his life without having any relationships. If women can have an easy time why can't men? Why does the system have to be RIGGED? The system would seem more fair to me if women didn't hold all the cards. I don't care if women are the ones responsible for progressing the human race. No gender is supposed to be above the other and if you think otherwise you are a fool.

I don't support genocide of "unattractive" people because they don't fit into unrealistic standards their opposite gender has.



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28 Oct 2011, 4:29 pm

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. Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


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28 Oct 2011, 4:31 pm

vilin66 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Assuming that the OP has any validity as a problem, what solutions are being offered?

A lottery whereby 1 out of every 100 marriage licenses is denied unless one or both persons happens to be paralyzed?

A law requiring that all second marriages include at least one disabled person?

Another law requiring all "Green Card" immigrant marriages be to a disabled American citizen?

:roll:


People will always use the biology thing, but I think there's more to it than that. Society and humans are decaying, and changing for the worst. It's like we are going through a de-evolutionary state. Even if gender ratios were corrected, I bet women would still always be disastrously selective and go for a certain percentage of men, and still leaving the rest in the dark. I'm a firm believer that women would opt (as they already do) to be alone then go with a guy they deem "undesireable". Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him. Not have him live his life without having any relationships. If women can have an easy time why can't men? Why does the system have to be RIGGED? The system would seem more fair to me if women didn't hold all the cards. I don't care if women are the ones responsible for progressing the human race. No gender is supposed to be above the other and if you think otherwise you are a fool.

I don't support genocide of "unattractive" people because they don't fit into unrealistic standards their opposite gender has.

equal numbers of women and men do not marry, so it is illlogical to say that women have an easier time of it. obviously it is equally hard. it seems that if anything is rigged, it is rigged for both sides. women are not holding any cards if they have the potential to die lonely, just like a single man might. it's true that no gender is above the other, and in fact neither one of them has it easier than the other.

i have noticed that you choose to disregard every point that we put forth before you, choosing instead to try to find new ways that men are supposedly disadvantaged. it makes it very clear that your arguments are ill-informed and flimsy.


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28 Oct 2011, 4:35 pm

Janissy wrote:
vilin66 wrote:
. Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


oh

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Yes, every man deserves a chance. Even these so called bitter guys on this forum. Or does it bother you to see these guys being successful?



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28 Oct 2011, 4:37 pm

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^That's part of it. That's what I think needs to be addressed. It's an injustice. Apparently unfair gender roles are just products of insane ramblings from a couple of bitter guys, according to the women on this forum. Women as a whole don't seem to be the type to boycott gender roles, since they favor them.

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Spongy, I have PMed you the other place I saw him singling her out. I couldnt help wondering why she gets such treatment, when her posts tend to be very neutral and non-provocative.

I shouldnt have perhaps made an issue of it in this thread though, *hothead*.


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28 Oct 2011, 4:41 pm

vilin66 wrote:
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vilin66 wrote:
. Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


oh

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Yes, every man deserves a chance. Even these so called bitter guys on this forum. Or does it bother you to see these guys being successful?


Now the conservatives hate you as much as the liberals. Government-mandated redistribution of women, beautiful!


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28 Oct 2011, 4:43 pm

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vilin66 wrote:
. Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


oh

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Yes, every man deserves a chance. Even these so called bitter guys on this forum. Or does it bother you to see these guys being successful?


Every man deserves a chance but he has to earn this chance for himself and criticizing females online isnt doing you any good.


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28 Oct 2011, 4:46 pm

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^That's part of it. That's what I think needs to be addressed. It's an injustice. Apparently unfair gender roles are just products of insane ramblings from a couple of bitter guys, according to the women on this forum. Women as a whole don't seem to be the type to boycott gender roles, since they favor them.

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Spongy, I have PMed you the other place I saw him singling her out. I couldnt help wondering why she gets such treatment, when her posts tend to be very neutral and non-provocative.

I shouldnt have perhaps made an issue of it in this thread though, *hothead*.


Step outside your door once in a while, get some sun. You need it.


You are right, I do need some sun. Unfortunately I have a lot of housework to do. Im not just sitting on my gold couch being fed chocolates by half naked NT men who are all offering to buy me dinner and take me to the art gallery.


Clever response. You've had more relationship experience then about 95% of men on this forum and I think the reason is clear why.

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28 Oct 2011, 4:49 pm

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Clever response. You've had more relationship experience then about 95% of men on this forum and I think the reason is clear why.
you don't actually know that. good job trying to widen the gender divide on WrongPlanet though.


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28 Oct 2011, 4:51 pm

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vilin66 wrote:
. Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


oh

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Yes, every man deserves a chance. Even these so called bitter guys on this forum. Or does it bother you to see these guys being successful?


What you are advocating is really just arranged marriage, something that is and has been done in many places. The catch is that it has been always been the girl's father who decides which man she will be paired off with. Since there is no such thing as a woman dispensary, the places where the women had no say with whom they ended up had to have a system to decide which man ends up with which woman. And invariably this system has been that the girl's father is the one who decides. He has never been able to literally draft a man into marrying his daughter, but he has been able to offer cash/material incentives if his daughter was seen as less desirable and to be very, very choosy if his daughter was seen as more desirable.

If your system was not the traditional father-of-the-girl based one, how would it work? Would there be a lottery and everybody's names got entered into the system at birth and you get who you get? If it was non-random, what would the decision-algorithm be? Would you have to apply for a girlfriend at a state agency and then take whoever was assigned to you based on what was on your application?

If you got to choose the girl, what system would there be when some girls were the choice of most men? What would the system be to decide amongst these men. It couldn't be her choice, because that's how it is now, and that's what you are trying to replace. So would it be a lottery? What would you do if you lost the lottery for the girl you wanted? Would you be willing to go with the one that you actually did win in the lottery? What if you really don't like her? In this system, the more desirable the girl is, the lower your chances of winning the lottery for her. As with any lottery, the more people who buy tickets, the lower any one person's chances are of winning.

Then you come to the problem of winning the lottery and getting the woman you really wanted. But what will you do if she didn't want you? This is actually a situation that has been faced by billions of women, since "ladie's choice" has only recently become the norm and only in some places. Women who were truly stuck with a mate they didn't want (very common) have to make the best of it somehow. Passive-aggressive tactics to make him miserable are an evolutionary favorite.



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28 Oct 2011, 5:16 pm

vilin66 wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
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^That's part of it. That's what I think needs to be addressed. It's an injustice. Apparently unfair gender roles are just products of insane ramblings from a couple of bitter guys, according to the women on this forum. Women as a whole don't seem to be the type to boycott gender roles, since they favor them.

zen_mistress wrote:
Spongy, I have PMed you the other place I saw him singling her out. I couldnt help wondering why she gets such treatment, when her posts tend to be very neutral and non-provocative.

I shouldnt have perhaps made an issue of it in this thread though, *hothead*.


Step outside your door once in a while, get some sun. You need it.


You are right, I do need some sun. Unfortunately I have a lot of housework to do. Im not just sitting on my gold couch being fed chocolates by half naked NT men who are all offering to buy me dinner and take me to the art gallery.


Clever response. You've had more relationship experience then about 95% of men on this forum and I think the reason is clear why.

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Er, why?


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28 Oct 2011, 5:25 pm

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I'm just pointing out the elephant in the room.


Life isn't fair, and there is nothing new about that.



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28 Oct 2011, 5:46 pm

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If your system was not the traditional father-of-the-girl based one, how would it work? Would there be a lottery and everybody's names got entered into the system at birth and you get who you get? If it was non-random, what would the decision-algorithm be? Would you have to apply for a girlfriend at a state agency and then take whoever was assigned to you based on what was on your application?


It's interesting that similar system was used for Zamyatin's dystopian novel We. Although it's was for sex only so you wouldn't be able to get married anyway. I still can't understand why idea of a rational world is considered so bad.



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If your system was not the traditional father-of-the-girl based one, how would it work? Would there be a lottery and everybody's names got entered into the system at birth and you get who you get? If it was non-random, what would the decision-algorithm be? Would you have to apply for a girlfriend at a state agency and then take whoever was assigned to you based on what was on your application?


It's interesting that similar system was used for Zamyatin's dystopian novel We. Although it's was for sex only so you wouldn't be able to get married anyway. I still can't understand why idea of a rational world is considered so bad.


Yay! Thanks for the title/author. I read that long ago in college and the plot stuck deep in my head (and perhaps re-surfaced a little in this post) but not the title/author. I sort of remembered the title. For the longest time I had it confused with We The Living by Ayn Rand. It shares Russian heritage, totalitarian bleakness, and part of the title. I bought We The Living and read it a couple times and wondered if I was just mis-remembering the science-fiction elements, if I had just imagined them.

But no! Now I am off to Amazon. Thanks again. :D



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28 Oct 2011, 6:37 pm

I don't think there's really much point in saying my piece since the OP is clearly delusional, but anyway.

So, basically, in your ideal world, a woman who was not interested in you would be forced into a "relationship" with you against her will - regardless of what SHE wanted from life, her own dreams/goals/aspirations, whether she even wanted to be in a relationship, or even a heterosexual relationship, in the first place.

It's called rape and en-slavery my friend. Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.


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28 Oct 2011, 7:12 pm

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I don't think there's really much point in saying my piece since the OP is clearly delusional, but anyway.

So, basically, in your ideal world, a woman who was not interested in you would be forced into a "relationship" with you against her will - regardless of what SHE wanted from life, her own dreams/goals/aspirations, whether she even wanted to be in a relationship, or even a heterosexual relationship, in the first place.

It's called rape and en-slavery my friend. Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.


I've been trying to avoid this thread because the premise is so freakin' ridiculous, but what you said here is exactly the logical conclusion of these fellow's "arguments"

But actually, I don't even think they've thought it through even that far - they are simply looking for some straw man to blame for their own failures.