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28 Oct 2011, 7:20 pm

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. Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


oh

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Yes, every man deserves a chance. Even these so called bitter guys on this forum. Or does it bother you to see these guys being successful?



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28 Oct 2011, 7:58 pm

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^That's part of it. That's what I think needs to be addressed. It's an injustice. Apparently unfair gender roles are just products of insane ramblings from a couple of bitter guys, according to the women on this forum. Women as a whole don't seem to be the type to boycott gender roles, since they favor them.

"Unfair" is the battle cry of those who either can not compete, or who consistently lose every competition, and who still expect to receive an award for merely showing up for the game.

People generally tend to not be attracted to handicapped, paralyzed, disfigured, maimed, insane, violent, whiny, complaining, or just overall depressing people. That's life. Those who accept this fact, learn to deal with it on their own terms, and act to improve their chances are much better off than those who reject it and wallow in self-imposed bitterness.

Rejection is inevitable; being miserable about it is a personal choice; inflicting one's misery upon others is just plain rude.



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28 Oct 2011, 8:32 pm

this video is ridiculous...

i got the harsh reality check when i used to b***h like these guys did...

they need to suck it up. I ended up stopping my moaning when someone told me to read the stuff here..

I know this is gonna be a long battle, trying to meet a woman is a mental battle.

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29 Oct 2011, 1:52 am

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^That's part of it. That's what I think needs to be addressed. It's an injustice. Apparently unfair gender roles are just products of insane ramblings from a couple of bitter guys, according to the women on this forum. Women as a whole don't seem to be the type to boycott gender roles, since they favor them.

"Unfair" is the battle cry of those who either can not compete, or who consistently lose every competition, and who still expect to receive an award for merely showing up for the game.

People generally tend to not be attracted to handicapped, paralyzed, disfigured, maimed, insane, violent, whiny, complaining, or just overall depressing people. That's life. Those who accept this fact, learn to deal with it on their own terms, and act to improve their chances are much better off than those who reject it and wallow in self-imposed bitterness.

Rejection is inevitable; being miserable about it is a personal choice; inflicting one's misery upon others is just plain rude.


just-world fallacy

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http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/ ... d-fallacy/



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29 Oct 2011, 2:30 am

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Chronos you are saying AS men shouldn't pro-create but AS women are perfectly allowed to? That doesn't sound right to me. Why should the women be above the men? That's not equality.


Where did I ever say anything of the sort?



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29 Oct 2011, 3:14 am

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Chronos you are saying AS men shouldn't pro-create but AS women are perfectly allowed to? That doesn't sound right to me. Why should the women be above the men? That's not equality.


Where did I ever say anything of the sort?

vilin your behaviour towards chronos is unacceptable considering that we here endorse a policy about making everyone feel comfortable when posting.


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Im warning you to either drop the act or provide links that show that your accusations are true.
Otherwise you arent welcome here(its not something we like to do but considering youve said that other members advice shouldnt be welcome several times its something that we have to do because our main goal is to make everyone feel welcome here)


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29 Oct 2011, 3:39 am

vilin66 wrote:
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^That's part of it. That's what I think needs to be addressed. It's an injustice. Apparently unfair gender roles are just products of insane ramblings from a couple of bitter guys, according to the women on this forum. Women as a whole don't seem to be the type to boycott gender roles, since they favor them.

"Unfair" is the battle cry of those who either can not compete, or who consistently lose every competition, and who still expect to receive an award for merely showing up for the game.

People generally tend to not be attracted to handicapped, paralyzed, disfigured, maimed, insane, violent, whiny, complaining, or just overall depressing people. That's life. Those who accept this fact, learn to deal with it on their own terms, and act to improve their chances are much better off than those who reject it and wallow in self-imposed bitterness.

Rejection is inevitable; being miserable about it is a personal choice; inflicting one's misery upon others is just plain rude.


just-world fallacy

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http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/ ... d-fallacy/


The just world fallacy I agree with a lot. But it doesnt make what Fnord has said there any less true. Being depressed and bitter does not attract success. Unless you are someone like Woody Allen who can turn it into comedy.... or unless you could translate it into art or a career of some sort.


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29 Oct 2011, 5:42 am

I'm aspergers and I'm not "disabled". Yes I have a lot of problems in life in terms of health and mental health, but the word "disabled" seems just wrong. For one, I did better in school work than the majority of "non disabled" people.

Also you can't compare aspergers to physical disibilities. I would date a man with a physical disibility, and a man with aspergers, but not a whingy aspergers whiner.

That's really my response to your original post.



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29 Oct 2011, 5:52 am

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I'm a firm believer that women would opt (as they already do) to be alone then go with a guy they deem "undesireable".


So do Men. Anyone (male or female) who actually would rather be happy than settle will think this way. There are lots of men with aspergers here who have rejected women. (and they have every right to do so) You're really only seeing what you want to see.

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Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.


So women should be used as some sort of emotional rape victim in your opinion? People ought to be treated like mistreated animals in breeding farm (for relationships?) How exactly is this right?

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Not have him live his life without having any relationships. If women can have an easy time why can't men? Why does the system have to be RIGGED? The system would seem more fair to me if women didn't hold all the cards. I don't care if women are the ones responsible for progressing the human race. No gender is supposed to be above the other and if you think otherwise you are a fool.

I don't support genocide of "unattractive" people because they don't fit into unrealistic standards their opposite gender has.


Nothing is "rigged", plenty of "unattractive" people find love. You need to start looking at the world through unbiased glasses. You're only basing the world on what you've experienced, it doesn't make it true for mankind in general. There as just as many single women as men out there, and no, not all by choice.

One thing about this world is in general, no-one gives a sh*t about you. Or me. Or anyone else here. It's everyone out for their own. Do you think joe blogs down the street cares that I am depressed because of my body issues? No, he doesn't. People just don't CARE. The world won't change. So what exactly is the point of this thread?



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29 Oct 2011, 6:59 am

vilin66 wrote:
Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating. Pro-creation is a different story. But when it comes to relationships, I think every guy deserves to have a woman, or at the very least, a CHANCE, no matter what women and society think of him.

Wow...Even lebensborn didn't force people into dating.



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29 Oct 2011, 8:38 am

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Apparently, girls with aspergers won't date guys who have aspergers?

1. disabled men will date disabled women

2. normal men will date disabled women

3. disabled women won't date disabled men

4. normal women won't date disabled men

He also keeps saying that women with aspergers won't ultimately date men with aspergers but men with aspergers will date women with aspergers.


I'm surprised that nobody has brought this up before, but the argument is inherently flawed before you can even begin to go into details.

1. In order for a disabled man to date a disabled woman, there must be a disabled woman willing to date a disabled man.

2. In order for a normal man to date a disabled woman there must be a disabled woman willing to date the normal man.

3. Is disproved by 1.

4. Is based on the generalisation that women are shallow and, since men will date a disabled woman then men are less shallow. The fact is, both sexes have equal capacity for shallowness so 4 is no more or less likely than 2.

Stephen Hawking has been married twice and has three children. Case closed.

I don't post on these forums much, but I have been a member for a while and lurk quite a bit. "...behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members" is the main reason I can't spend too much time reading threads here, without looking for something less traumatic and/or depressing to read, because provokation and belittling is the norm, intentional or not, especially in this sub-forum. This site is supposed to be a community of people on the autistic spectrum, particularly Asperger's. Not everyone shares the same issues and those that do are not impacted the same. Time and again, however, this forum is filled with people rolling their eyes and saying what amounts to "man up" or "don't let the fact that you're a loser bother you. So what if you're never going to be loved or have someone to love? Get over it." THAT is belittling. Making someone or something seem less important than it actually is is the very definition of the word. So you never had problems finding a date? Good for you, but not everyone is lucky enough to be in the same situation.

I'm sure there are many reason for those "other forums" that have popped up, but this is certainly one of them (in fact, it is explicitly stated to be one of them on at least one forum).



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29 Oct 2011, 8:57 am

This topic is just as ludicrous as dog breed bans. Anyone heard of unique individuals?

The sad thing is people who are wallowing in self-pity, lonely and miserable, thinking they will be alone for the rest of their lives *enter violin music here* willingly buy into this kinda crap.



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29 Oct 2011, 9:18 am

Sokar wrote:
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Apparently, girls with aspergers won't date guys who have aspergers?

1. disabled men will date disabled women

2. normal men will date disabled women

3. disabled women won't date disabled men

4. normal women won't date disabled men

He also keeps saying that women with aspergers won't ultimately date men with aspergers but men with aspergers will date women with aspergers.


I'm surprised that nobody has brought this up before, but the argument is inherently flawed before you can even begin to go into details.

1. In order for a disabled man to date a disabled woman, there must be a disabled woman willing to date a disabled man.

2. In order for a normal man to date a disabled woman there must be a disabled woman willing to date the normal man.

3. Is disproved by 1.

4. Is based on the generalisation that women are shallow and, since men will date a disabled woman then men are less shallow. The fact is, both sexes have equal capacity for shallowness so 4 is no more or less likely than 2.

Stephen Hawking has been married twice and has three children. Case closed.

I don't post on these forums much, but I have been a member for a while and lurk quite a bit. "...behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members" is the main reason I can't spend too much time reading threads here, without looking for something less traumatic and/or depressing to read, because provokation and belittling is the norm, intentional or not, especially in this sub-forum. This site is supposed to be a community of people on the autistic spectrum, particularly Asperger's. Not everyone shares the same issues and those that do are not impacted the same. Time and again, however, this forum is filled with people rolling their eyes and saying what amounts to "man up" or "don't let the fact that you're a loser bother you. So what if you're never going to be loved or have someone to love? Get over it." THAT is belittling. Making someone or something seem less important than it actually is is the very definition of the word. So you never had problems finding a date? Good for you, but not everyone is lucky enough to be in the same situation.

I'm sure there are many reason for those "other forums" that have popped up, but this is certainly one of them (in fact, it is explicitly stated to be one of them on at least one forum).

Any kind of advice is more than welcome.

We do our best trying to comfort/help each member.
As you can see there was a thread yesterday on a guy that was rejected by a girl and we did our best reminding him how cool he is and how this girl must have been nuts.
How would you suggest that we try to deal with members that are telling us that they just got rejected?

Having said that if someone is listing all their problems and then complaining about how the opposite sex is shallow for not giving them a chance and this problems are something you can work on(ie poor clothing choices...) our advice is to try to work on those issues. Why? because we´ve found that complaining about how shallow men/women are wont change the reality that you still want them to like you and there are times when a small change can be extremely helpfull.
Again any advice you can provide on this situations is more than welcome.


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29 Oct 2011, 10:43 am

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As you can see there was a thread yesterday on a guy that was rejected by a girl and we did our best reminding him how cool he is and how this girl must have been nuts. How would you suggest that we try to deal with members that are telling us that they just got rejected?

It's one thing to comfort a person who is upset over having been dumped. It's the right thing to do - up to a point.

It's quite another to give the same comfort to a person who not only feels bad for having been dumped, but who expresses contempt and hostility toward the entire gender of the person who dumped them, and then carries on about unfairness, injustice, and discrimination. That person should probably give up on dating for a while until he or she makes an attitude adjustment.

It is also fair to point out that in any such situation, we are likely to see only one side - that of the person who was dumped. We rarely (if ever) see posts by the person who did the dumping. On-going and one-sided ranting may huint at other issues, as well.



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29 Oct 2011, 10:51 am

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I'm a firm believer that women would opt (as they already do) to be alone then go with a guy they deem "undesireable". Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating.


you really hate the idea of personal freedom eh?


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29 Oct 2011, 11:26 am

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I'm a firm believer that women would opt (as they already do) to be alone then go with a guy they deem "undesireable". Maybe we need laws implemented for dating, relationships, and, maybe mating. Some sort of equal opportunity dating.
you really hate the idea of personal freedom eh?

Sharia law seems to allow for "arranged" or "forced" marriages. Maybe the OP would be better off converting to Islam and emigrating to Iran or Afghanistan.