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29 Oct 2011, 11:47 am

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I don't think there's really much point in saying my piece since the OP is clearly delusional, but anyway.

So, basically, in your ideal world, a woman who was not interested in you would be forced into a "relationship" with you against her will - regardless of what SHE wanted from life, her own dreams/goals/aspirations, whether she even wanted to be in a relationship, or even a heterosexual relationship, in the first place.

It's called rape and en-slavery my friend. Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.

I find it quite interesting that this post was largely ignored.

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29 Oct 2011, 11:50 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

sunshower wrote:

I don't think there's really much point in saying my piece since the OP is clearly delusional, but anyway. So, basically, in your ideal world, a woman who was not interested in you would be forced into a "relationship" with you against her will - regardless of what SHE wanted from life, her own dreams/goals/aspirations, whether she even wanted to be in a relationship, or even a heterosexual relationship, in the first place. It's called rape and en-slavery my friend. Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.

I find it quite interesting that this post was largely ignored.

For me, Sunshower's last sentence was too profound to comment or elaborate on.

Sunshower (addressing the OP) wrote:

Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.

What more is there to say?

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29 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

In other term, you're legitimating "arranged rapes"?

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29 Oct 2011, 11:56 am

Fnord wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

sunshower wrote:

I don't think there's really much point in saying my piece since the OP is clearly delusional, but anyway. So, basically, in your ideal world, a woman who was not interested in you would be forced into a "relationship" with you against her will - regardless of what SHE wanted from life, her own dreams/goals/aspirations, whether she even wanted to be in a relationship, or even a heterosexual relationship, in the first place. It's called rape and en-slavery my friend. Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.

I find it quite interesting that this post was largely ignored.

For me, Sunshower's last sentence was too profound to comment or elaborate on.

Sunshower (addressing the OP) wrote:

Basically, what you want is for every man to have his own rape toy if he chooses.

What more is there to say?

To be specific, it was ignored by the OP. I'm not surprised, of course, but it is interesting.

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29 Oct 2011, 11:56 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In other term, you're legitimating "arranged rapes"?

Besides certain African, Mediterranean and Middle-Eastern cultures, who would "legitimize" such things?

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29 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm

Fnord wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In other term, you're legitimating "arranged rapes"?

Besides certain African, Mediterranean and Middle-Eastern cultures, who would "legitimize" such things?

Mormons?

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29 Oct 2011, 12:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Fnord wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In other term, you're legitimating "arranged rapes"?

Besides certain African, Mediterranean and Middle-Eastern cultures, who would "legitimize" such things?

Mormons?

If you're talking about the FLDS, don't they already?

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29 Oct 2011, 1:01 pm

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vilin66 wrote:

Apparently, girls with aspergers won't date guys who have aspergers?

1. disabled men will date disabled women

2. normal men will date disabled women

3. disabled women won't date disabled men

4. normal women won't date disabled men

He also keeps saying that women with aspergers won't ultimately date men with aspergers but men with aspergers will date women with aspergers.

I'm surprised that nobody has brought this up before, but the argument is inherently flawed before you can even begin to go into details.

1. In order for a disabled man to date a disabled woman, there must be a disabled woman willing to date a disabled man.

2. In order for a normal man to date a disabled woman there must be a disabled woman willing to date the normal man.

3. Is disproved by 1.

4. Is based on the generalisation that women are shallow and, since men will date a disabled woman then men are less shallow. The fact is, both sexes have equal capacity for shallowness so 4 is no more or less likely than 2.

Stephen Hawking has been married twice and has three children. Case closed.

I don't post on these forums much, but I have been a member for a while and lurk quite a bit. "...behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members" is the main reason I can't spend too much time reading threads here, without looking for something less traumatic and/or depressing to read, because provokation and belittling is the norm, intentional or not, especially in this sub-forum. This site is supposed to be a community of people on the autistic spectrum, particularly Asperger's. Not everyone shares the same issues and those that do are not impacted the same. Time and again, however, this forum is filled with people rolling their eyes and saying what amounts to "man up" or "don't let the fact that you're a loser bother you. So what if you're never going to be loved or have someone to love? Get over it." THAT is belittling. Making someone or something seem less important than it actually is is the very definition of the word. So you never had problems finding a date? Good for you, but not everyone is lucky enough to be in the same situation.

I'm sure there are many reason for those "other forums" that have popped up, but this is certainly one of them (in fact, it is explicitly stated to be one of them on at least one forum).

using famous people to prove your point :roll:

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29 Oct 2011, 1:32 pm

You want a suggestion? People need to stop conflating sex with love. They are two different things that are quite often, though by no means always, found together. One is a physical act and the other is an emotional response. The desire for a relationship, the desire to love and be loved, is NOT the same thing as a desire for sex. The desire for sexual gratification can largely be met manually or with the use of certain "implements", or with professional assistance. The desire for love cannot ever be fully satiated, even if you manage to find some approximation in domestic animals. The state of being lonely is absolutely not the same as being horny and once people realise this then this sub-forum would be a more welcoming space for people to discuss a topic that some find more difficult to talk about, let alone deal with, than others.

I suggest you all go back and re-read this thread. In particular, take note of who said what and when*. I readily concede that the OP seems to have known it was provocative when he posted this video in a thread partially titled "Controversial Topic", but I couldn't be bothered watching a video that makes such ridiculous claims as those he summarised. Be that as it may, is it really so wrong to try and prompt a discussion? What does bother me is the spiralling strawmen, the belittling, and the provocative nature of some of the posts... ironically, exactly the things that OP was pulled up for.

*I am assuming the issue with Chronus has something to do with another thread, because the comments don't make much sense in the context of this thread.

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29 Oct 2011, 2:20 pm

I stick to the facts. I stick to what I see happening myself, and what happens with other individuals who are going through the problem of finding a woman. I don't strictly go by what your kind calls "political correctness". In other words, I don't go by what we are "told" is normal or abnormal. You and I were taught that both genders needed to have roles, instead of being free to do what they want. When both genders are held up to a role, you create a problem because if the roles aren't equal in whatever way possible, it makes one gender have it more difficult and the other more easier. That's just it though, you'll say people are shallow and superficial. And they ARE. But you are missing the point, just like everyone else. Most of the guys struggling with this are NOT going for someone better looking. Just AVERAGE women. And ugly ones too. And they can't even get one of THOSE women to compromise. So if the guy does his part to make himself attractive, but every woman in America rejects him, who's fault is it? Women! DUH! Women tell guys to go after average and ugly women, but what if even women in those categories reject you? There is a serious issue going on in society today with the dating scene and relationships and attraction. I'm sorry you disagree and can't see where I'm coming from. Women won't really be able to, even though they should. When the warriors fight the kings battle, the king can't feel the pain. It's almost impossible for you to realize what's going on. Try living in the shoes of some guy who is a 40 year old virgin who never had a girlfriend. You probably wouldn't want to live anymore.

I'm only 21 years old but even I know gender roles are crap. Men having to be good looking providers while women can be leeches and are allowed to chase the top 20% of men while the rest are left to rot. If you support them, you are actually supporting one gender being above the other. You aren't supporting equality.

Check this video, which talks about why some men commit suicide, and the dangers of a sexually liberated society.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7yfRXXlec&feature=related[/youtube]

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29 Oct 2011, 2:47 pm

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I'm aspergers and I'm not "disabled". Yes I have a lot of problems in life in terms of health and mental health, but the word "disabled" seems just wrong. For one, I did better in school work than the majority of "non disabled" people.

Also you can't compare aspergers to physical disibilities. I would date a man with a physical disibility, and a man with aspergers, but not a whingy aspergers whiner.

That's really my response to your original post.

Whether you are disabled or not can very with the manifestation of the disorder. To me it is definitely a disability, as the executive function problems I have make working very difficult, I tend to have difficulty working longer than part time hours.

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29 Oct 2011, 3:14 pm

vilin66 wrote:

. Most of the guys struggling with this are NOT going for someone better looking. Just AVERAGE women. And ugly ones too. And they can't even get one of THOSE women to compromise. So if the guy does his part to make himself attractive, but every woman in America rejects him, who's fault is it? Women! DUH! Women tell guys to go after average and ugly women, but what if even women in those categories reject you?]

This is the core of the problem. Choosing you is not a responsibility that women are shirking. People (in certain societies) have a right to decide they don't want to be a particular person's mate. As long as that right stands (and I will fight to the death not to lose it), the only option is to work on yourself such that the qualities that attract women are enhanced. If you want to do that, pay attention to the success stories of men who succeeded in this forum. To call out names, MetalAspie and Nick007 have success stories to share (not too far back in the archives).

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29 Oct 2011, 3:34 pm

vilin66 wrote:

I stick to the facts. I stick to what I see happening myself, and what happens with other individuals who are going through the problem of finding a woman.

anecdotal evidence is not facts.

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You and I were taught that both genders needed to have roles, instead of being free to do what they want. When both genders are held up to a role, you create a problem because if the roles aren't equal in whatever way possible, it makes one gender have it more difficult and the other more easier.

so in order to get rid of the gender roles and have people be free to do what they want, we need to enslave one gender? is that what you're saying?

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Most of the guys struggling with this are NOT going for someone better looking. Just AVERAGE women. And ugly ones too. And they can't even get one of THOSE women to compromise. So if the guy does his part to make himself attractive, but every woman in America rejects him, who's fault is it? Women! DUH!

where is this guy who'd tried his luck with every woman in America and failed? oh right, he doesn't exist. yet you try to make it look like your theory can't be falsified. if it was physically possible for one guy to try his luck with every single woman in America, we'd have your theory falsified quite easily.

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Women tell guys to go after average and ugly women, but what if even women in those categories reject you? There is a serious issue going on in society today with the dating scene and relationships and attraction. I'm sorry you disagree and can't see where I'm coming from. Women won't really be able to, even though they should. When the warriors fight the kings battle, the king can't feel the pain. It's almost impossible for you to realize what's going on. Try living in the shoes of some guy who is a 40 year old virgin who never had a girlfriend. You probably wouldn't want to live anymore.

there are plenty of things none of us will ever have had by the time we're 40. acting like everything should be redistributed equally among individuals is just communist.

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Check this video, which talks about why some men commit suicide, and the dangers of a sexually liberated society.

women generally deal with loneliness better than men. I've always been single and am dealing with it easily so sorry but I just can't empathise (I don't have to watch your video to know that I can't). I just don't see how my personal choices or the choices of other women that have nothing whatsoever to do with any man, seem like such wrongdoing to you (and whatever is the group that you think you represent) that you feel our personal freedoms should be taken away. maybe it would have been better for you to have been alive in times of slavery. then you could have your satisfaction with a woman who's resisting you and have it sanctioned by law. but since we can't time travel just yet, how about you spell out what it exactly is you're suggesting? what is your "program"? unless you specify your "program" I won't know if I want to "vote" for you.

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29 Oct 2011, 3:36 pm

Can we get rid of this forum? or of this thread at least?

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29 Oct 2011, 4:11 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Can we get rid of this forum? or of this thread at least?

Yes, however, as a closing note, to those (hopefully few) men who wish to delegate women to a status no higher than that of cattle, might I suggest a high quality "adult doll" instead, as the latter will fulfill your needs just fine, and not try to kill you.

Kara Thrace and Leoben's "relationship" on New Caprica.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3rM2KeV8k

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29 Oct 2011, 4:23 pm

A high-end doll

She can play kung fu.

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