DOES ALL MALE WITH ASPERGER'S DESIRE SEX?

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20 Apr 2011, 12:22 am

Bethie wrote:
What does honesty have to do with it? :?

Premise: All male desire sex
Conclusion: One who does not desire sex is not male.

Think of it in terms of Venn Diagrams.

You are forgetting something.
The freaking question!

Question: Do all male with aspergers desire sex?
Answer: All male desire sex
Conclusion: All male desire sex, regardless if they have aspergers or not.

I'm not saying the premise is true, but concluding that "the one who does not desire sex is not male" because "males" are the subject in the question and asexuality is missing in the premise, is just plain stupid.

If you still continue with this absurd conclusion, then I don't know how else can I call this if not dishonesty.



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20 Apr 2011, 12:35 am

blunnet wrote:
Bethie wrote:
What does honesty have to do with it? :?

Premise: All male desire sex
Conclusion: One who does not desire sex is not male.

Think of it in terms of Venn Diagrams.

You are forgetting something.
The freaking question!

Question: Do all male with aspergers desire sex?
Answer: All male desire sex
Conclusion: All male desire sex, regardless if they have aspergers or not.

I'm not saying the premise is true, but concluding that "the one who does not desire sex is not male" because "males" are the subject in the question and asexuality is missing in the premise, is just plain stupid.

If you still continue with this absurd conclusion, then I don't know how else can I call this if not dishonesty.


I wasn't commenting on your intent, just what you actually said.
Presuming you mean what you SAY ("All male desire sex") is hardly an "absurd conclusion".


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20 Apr 2011, 1:41 am

Bethie wrote:
I wasn't commenting on your intent, just what you actually said.

What the hell my intent has to do with it? :?

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Presuming you mean what you SAY ("All male desire sex") is hardly an "absurd conclusion".

"All male desire sex" is hardly absurd, "All males desire sex, therefore those who don't are not males" is absurd, as well as "All males desire sex, therefore those who don't are females".

1: "Every male, aspie and NT, desire sex" makes sense as a conclusion given the context of the answer related to the question.

2. " 'Every male desire sex' ignores that there are asexuals" makes sense, but "Those who don't desire sex are not males or are females" does not. Why? The context of the answer is towards the subject, which is "males", the poster is refering to the subject because it is relevant, and there is no claim that "only males desire sex" or that he demonstrated that idea.

2A. I can presumably say that if the subject were broad to included females, the answer may have been differently because of the relevance to the subject in question, such as "all people desire sex", rather than "males" or "females" in case of females. In any case, that doesn't really matter, what matters is that the answer is relevant to the subject, which is "males".

3. The poster can very well say that you are putting words into his mouth, and he will be correct.

It's very clear, that even a small baby can understand this

It all comes down that this conclusion is idiotic, period, and by the looks of it, it seems like dishonesty to favor an ideology or because the assertion was found to be political incorrect. :roll:



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20 Apr 2011, 1:58 am

I'm sorry I applied deductive reasoning to your premise and made you so emotional.

:(


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20 Apr 2011, 2:09 am

Bethie wrote:
I'm sorry I applied deductive reasoning to your premise and made you so emotional.

I just hate it when people are plain dishonest, mostly when they do it to favor an ideology.

"applying deductive reasoning" yeah right, by the looks of it, your reasoning comes from a misconception in order to support an ideology or any other reason, and such reasoning simply doesn't make sense, I already told you that the premise does not indicate nor demonstrate that ONLY males do this, it ignores that the premise is LIMITED to the SUBJECT of the QUESTION which its reference has to be RELEVANT to that same question, it ignores asexuals, yes, but it does not do what you claim, your conclusion does not look to follow, it is irrelevant to the context.

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your premise

What premise, that premise? it isn't mine, I just find that absurd words were put into the poster's mouth.

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Hug?

Yeah, why not, I just warn you that I don't have any money or wallet anywhere in my clothes, just in case ;)



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20 Apr 2011, 3:09 am

:lol:


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20 Apr 2011, 3:45 am

The conclusion is obviously an irrelevant conclusion, irrelevant to the context, actually it ignores it, and this question can be made towards it: "What has that got to do with it?"



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20 Apr 2011, 6:23 pm

Bethie wrote:
I'm sorry I applied deductive reasoning to your premise and made you so emotional.

:(


Hug?


Reading all of this made me feel emotional... :(



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20 Apr 2011, 10:07 pm

I'm pretty sure all asexual men aren't actually women though I don't really know what's going on in this crazy world so I wouldn't be that surprised either way



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19 Oct 2011, 7:42 pm

Would it be crossing the line if say an AS type has a huge addiction to pornography and a huge collection of it? Would that be off the topic with whether all guy's with AS desire sex?



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20 Oct 2011, 1:18 am

Well, I suppose it isn't mandatory, but generally it is a pretty good indicator of the health of your relationship.



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20 Oct 2011, 1:48 am

perhaps you should start a new topic about it and see if you get more replies instead of resurrecting an ancient thread?.


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21 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

pizzaman31195 wrote:
No, sex is useless, i really dont care for it

it is way over rated, it is just a way to reproduce, other than that i dont see the point, and it is as a matter of fact discusting, you are all gooey after.

i would much rather have a good conversation where my intelect is chalenged than have sex

and when im with a girl, i like being "close to her" for example hugs and kisses, or sleeping (as in sleep, not sex) together

but i would live without sex, and that is just what i do, and i would not care less.

and not all male, or female, need sex, it is just a society requirement, that is programmed in our brains you reset the program and bingo, you dont need it anymore...

have a good day


I agree



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21 Oct 2011, 5:14 pm

General final answer : Not any more or any less than your average male.

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18 Mar 2012, 1:46 am

I believe that sex for any other reason that procreation is illogical. Though on occasion I have been in situations when I have experienced unexpected sexual desire. Normally I have no sexual desire until a woman initiates sexual activity and even then it is difficult at first to let go of my logical state of mind concerning sex and to allow my instinctual male libido to take over. It is almost like a mental switch. I am either in logic mode or libido mode.(I have noticed that for some reason early in the morning it is easier to flip the the switch to libido) I, and I assume, some others with ASD always seem to naturally be in "logic mode". As someone with ASD even though I do have sexual desire, I think that my need for logic tends to cut off my instinctual sex drive. In contrast I think that Neurotypical people tend to have more of a need to adhere to illogical societal rules and therefore naturally tend to be in "libido mode".



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18 Mar 2012, 4:25 am

ReGiFroFoLa wrote:
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Would asexual reproduction might be a better way ? I guess that it would raise lots of legal problems.

What if you could feed yourself a vast meal and then go to bed that evening, and then undergo division like a single cell organism. The next day you would wake up and there would be two slim versions of you. The big problem I see there is which clone should get the bank balence and the car keys.

Or you could take off your shoes and stand on the lawn and water your feet. Many plants can clone themselves by forming runners (roots) which then form a new plant. I think that Japanese knotweed does this. This would cause a lot of new legal problems and also you might not enjoy standing for days on end on wet grass or mud.

After considering these alternatives perhapes sexual reproduction is not so bad afterall.


Why are You being so rude?

I only want to know Your opinions on this issue, without telling me that I am insane in my thinking process... Yes, so I find sex disgusting, but I do understand that people find it pleasureous and exciting. Each person is different.

My question really was: do You have sex or not. If so - do You do it from "love", or just because You feel You have to vent the tension You have within Your body... It's all.

I am female, and I don't know what it's like to be male. So I would only want to get a picture of male's brain...

The construction of Humans is just too complicated to me altogether. So I wish to learn to exsistance in parts.


I'm a male, and sex isn't really a necessity for me, just closeness. Cuddling seems very appealing to me.