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24 Mar 2012, 5:55 am

Dear all
This is my first post on Wrong Planet.

I'm a 27 year old girl. I have been in love with a guy for the past 5 years, and he also happens to be my best male friend.
Quite early on in our friendship I told him I love him and he told me quite bluntly that he respects me for telling him that, but it won't work.

Two years after that he got engaged to a girl, but broke off the engagement in 2 months. Those 2 months were living hell for me.. Somehow I could not accept him being with another girl.

Since that time another 2 years have passed. Along the way when things happen, time and again I realise he is not the one for me, and we are better off being best friends only. This has been his stand all through (though we very rarely discuss "us").

In spite of all this, I still can't get over him, if he gets married (which will happen soon) I am going to go insane again. He says things like he has never loved me in "that way", and I have always been his soulmate, his oxygen.

Just when I think I have finally got over the rejection, he says or does something that sends me spiralling bakwards.

I feel like I am not focusing on my own life, for worrying over this guy and the rejection.



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24 Mar 2012, 6:39 am

This guy has already made it clear repeatedly that he is not going to be your boy friend, just a friend. You are not willing to accept that, and are dead set on a romantic relationship that will never happen. Actually, he was very nice to put his intentions so clearly. Now it's time to grow up and face facts. A romance with him ain't gonna happen. Your continued attempts to be with him are only hurting you and keeping you from moving on. Stop seeing him/calling him/emailing him. NO MORE CONTACT! It just hurts you. Start treating yourself better, by not putting yourself out for an unattainable person. Find ways to occupy and distract yourself, and meet other people.

- Take courses, either in person or online. Some online courses are free.
- Take up a hobby. You may meet other people who share your interest.
- Volunteer. There are people out there worse off than we are. You will also meet other volunteers there.
- Go to events at local community centers, local libraries, local schools, local sporting venues, local fairs, local art shows, etc.

You really need to get out and meet other people. I hope the ideas listed above will help get you going.


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24 Mar 2012, 7:48 am

SadMary wrote:
Dear all
This is my first post on Wrong Planet.

I'm a 27 year old girl. I have been in love with a guy for the past 5 years, and he also happens to be my best male friend.
Quite early on in our friendship I told him I love him and he told me quite bluntly that he respects me for telling him that, but it won't work.

Two years after that he got engaged to a girl, but broke off the engagement in 2 months. Those 2 months were living hell for me.. Somehow I could not accept him being with another girl.

Since that time another 2 years have passed. Along the way when things happen, time and again I realise he is not the one for me, and we are better off being best friends only. This has been his stand all through (though we very rarely discuss "us").

In spite of all this, I still can't get over him, if he gets married (which will happen soon) I am going to go insane again. He says things like he has never loved me in "that way", and I have always been his soulmate, his oxygen.

Just when I think I have finally got over the rejection, he says or does something that sends me spiralling bakwards.

I feel like I am not focusing on my own life, for worrying over this guy and the rejection.


You might be distorting his image to match your expectations. It is very likely an illusion (I talk from experience). If I were you, I'd broaden my horizon if know what I mean. There are more suitable mates out there.
If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.
I have no intention to be rude, I'd just like to hear it from someone, sometime ago when I was in similar situation: it's an illusion, please stop lying to yourself. You're in love with someone who probably never existed.


Ooo and welcome to the Wrong Planet! :)



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24 Mar 2012, 7:56 am

Unrequited love is never healthy and it sounds like you are at the extreme end of being obsessed, you probably crave this guy because people crave what they can't have, people enjoy a challenge. You have set high expectations towards this guy because you have assigned such a high value to him in your own mind, if you can step out and view it in a third person perspective, you will realize that this guy doesn't define you or your happiness.

If you can't let go of your feelings for him, you need to completely cut contact otherwise you will just be causing yourself more negativity and hurt. Find someone that values you as much as you value them.



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24 Mar 2012, 8:08 am

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If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.


I don't think there's much truth in that. People can't help their feelings when they have them towards friends of the opposite gender. I don't really think it's all that possible to switch them off either. What counts is the ability to put them aside and realise that your friend's happiness is more important than your own.
It sounds like he's intentionally doing something every so often to keep you interested though (like telling you you're his soulmate)

Bit of a waste of 5 years of dating life though. You could have already had a few relationships in that time yourself.



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24 Mar 2012, 8:27 am

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If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.


I don't think there's much truth in that. People can't help their feelings when they have them towards friends of the opposite gender. I don't really think it's all that possible to switch them off either. What counts is the ability to put them aside and realise that your friend's happiness is more important than your own.
It sounds like he's intentionally doing something every so often to keep you interested though (like telling you you're his soulmate)

Bit of a waste of 5 years of dating life though. You could have already had a few relationships in that time yourself.


It's just my opinion. In my experience there are only 3 options to be a true friend with a girl:
- I'm not attracted to her, she's just asexual to me, the way that sisters for example are
- we were together for a long time and we were friends, than we broke up and worked hard to stay friends (only once it happened to me)
- she is a guy ;P

Other than that it always ended up "complicated" for me ;)



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24 Mar 2012, 10:37 am

questor wrote:
... Your continued attempts to be with him are only hurting you and keeping you from moving on. Stop seeing him/calling him/emailing him. NO MORE CONTACT! It just hurts you. Start treating yourself better, by not putting yourself out for an unattainable person. Find ways to occupy and distract yourself, and meet other people.


I think that's great advice. Love is a neurochemical addiction. The only way to get over it is withdrawal. You need to break off all contact with your love interest.



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25 Mar 2012, 5:16 am

I'm overwhelmed by the words of support and wisdom. Thanks guys for caring. Thank you especially for the following:

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Love is a neurochemical addiction. The only way to get over it is withdrawal.


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People can't help their feelings when they have them towards friends of the opposite gender. I don't really think it's all that possible to switch them off either. What counts is the ability to put them aside and realise that your friend's happiness is more important than your own.


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you probably crave this guy because people crave what they can't have, people enjoy a challenge. You have set high expectations towards this guy because you have assigned such a high value to him in your own mind, if you can step out and view it in a third person perspective, you will realize that this guy doesn't define you or your happiness.


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You might be distorting his image to match your expectations.


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Actually, he was very nice to put his intentions so clearly. Now it's time to grow up and face facts.


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If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.



I worry that a relationshp hasn't happened because my love for him is not true enough, because his happiness doesn't necessarily make me happy. I feel if I had loved him unselfishly, putting his happiness above my own, things would have worked out. I'm not really my true self with him. I dread getting into an argument with him, because I can't bear him being angry or us not being in harmony. To the extent that I feel most of myself that I've shown to him is a farce, an act, a role I'm playing, to make him love me. All this doesn't make sense because the relationship doesn't exist anyway. I still can't separate the "best friend" feelings and the "love" feelings..



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25 Mar 2012, 5:43 am

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25 Mar 2012, 5:43 am

kojot wrote:
blue_bean wrote:
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If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.


I don't think there's much truth in that. People can't help their feelings when they have them towards friends of the opposite gender. I don't really think it's all that possible to switch them off either. What counts is the ability to put them aside and realise that your friend's happiness is more important than your own.
It sounds like he's intentionally doing something every so often to keep you interested though (like telling you you're his soulmate)

Bit of a waste of 5 years of dating life though. You could have already had a few relationships in that time yourself.


It's just my opinion. In my experience there are only 3 options to be a true friend with a girl:
- I'm not attracted to her, she's just asexual to me, the way that sisters for example are
- we were together for a long time and we were friends, than we broke up and worked hard to stay friends (only once it happened to me)
- she is a guy ;P

Other than that it always ended up "complicated" for me ;)

What about the "I'm gay" option?



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25 Mar 2012, 5:48 am

SadMary wrote:
I'm overwhelmed by the words of support and wisdom. Thanks guys for caring. Thank you especially for the following:

Quote:
Love is a neurochemical addiction. The only way to get over it is withdrawal.


Quote:
People can't help their feelings when they have them towards friends of the opposite gender. I don't really think it's all that possible to switch them off either. What counts is the ability to put them aside and realise that your friend's happiness is more important than your own.


Quote:
you probably crave this guy because people crave what they can't have, people enjoy a challenge. You have set high expectations towards this guy because you have assigned such a high value to him in your own mind, if you can step out and view it in a third person perspective, you will realize that this guy doesn't define you or your happiness.


Quote:
You might be distorting his image to match your expectations.


Quote:
Actually, he was very nice to put his intentions so clearly. Now it's time to grow up and face facts.


Quote:
If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.



I worry that a relationshp hasn't happened because my love for him is not true enough, because his happiness doesn't necessarily make me happy. I feel if I had loved him unselfishly, putting his happiness above my own, things would have worked out. I'm not really my true self with him. I dread getting into an argument with him, because I can't bear him being angry or us not being in harmony. To the extent that I feel most of myself that I've shown to him is a farce, an act, a role I'm playing, to make him love me. All this doesn't make sense because the relationship doesn't exist anyway. I still can't separate the "best friend" feelings and the "love" feelings..


Please, don't blame yourself. It's not your fault and never was. It's nobody fault. Sometimes we fall in love with people we don't actually fit to.
On more than one occasion I thought I'm in love with someone because I was just so desperate that I transformed unconsciously someone into my ideal image. Mind is the biggest lier ;)
An believe me there is nothing worse than to put someone else happiness above your own. Because it makes two people unhappy.
Love is chemistry, when two people are in love there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, but when only one person is in love it may lack the chemistry and might be an illusion.

You need a fresh perspective to clear your head, to get rest. That's what I would try to do. Get the new perspective. Like uncle Einstein said: No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

Good luck!



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25 Mar 2012, 6:11 am

GDOBSSOR wrote:
kojot wrote:
blue_bean wrote:
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If it hurts you to see him with another girl happy, you're not his true friend, sorry. Only when you'll be genuinely happy about his happiness you can say he's your friend.


I don't think there's much truth in that. People can't help their feelings when they have them towards friends of the opposite gender. I don't really think it's all that possible to switch them off either. What counts is the ability to put them aside and realise that your friend's happiness is more important than your own.
It sounds like he's intentionally doing something every so often to keep you interested though (like telling you you're his soulmate)

Bit of a waste of 5 years of dating life though. You could have already had a few relationships in that time yourself.


It's just my opinion. In my experience there are only 3 options to be a true friend with a girl:
- I'm not attracted to her, she's just asexual to me, the way that sisters for example are
- we were together for a long time and we were friends, than we broke up and worked hard to stay friends (only once it happened to me)
- she is a guy ;P

Other than that it always ended up "complicated" for me ;)

What about the "I'm gay" option?


It's actually in the first option but in disguise ;P



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25 Mar 2012, 6:13 am

nat4200 wrote:
GDOBSSOR wrote:
kojot wrote:
It's just my opinion. In my experience there are only 3 options to be a true friend with a girl:
- I'm not attracted to her, she's just asexual to me, the way that sisters for example are
- we were together for a long time and we were friends, than we broke up and worked hard to stay friends (only once it happened to me)
- she is a guy ;P

Other than that it always ended up "complicated" for me ;)

What about the "I'm gay" option?


@GDOBSSOR: then by the logic of that opinion you presumably couldn't be friends with people of your own sex (and worse if you were bi... well you probably couldn't have any friends at all 8O). But I wouldn't worry, this opinion sounds strangely like the BS from Billy Crystal's character in the movie "When Harry Met Sally":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFWGOKuFyjk[/youtube]


Being "bi" would mean "complicated" most of the time ;D



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03 Apr 2012, 8:16 pm

I tend to agree that this has become some sort of obsession. I don't think that's healthy even in a relationship where the feelings are mutual.

I can however somewhat relate to your situation. I've been friends with a guy for about a year or so and I just told him how I feel about him. I was afraid because of feeling vulnerable and also that it may overwhelm him and make him uncomfortable around me. Of course I'd be over the moon if he felt the same way I did but at the same time I value our friendship above all and that's one thing I didn't want to jeopardize. Prior to my deciding to tell him how I felt. I had to tell myself that there is always the chance that he isn't in love with me. I had to be okay with that. His friendship will have to be enough. Don't get me wrong if things don't work out for us and he one day finds someone else, it will be one of the hardest things to live through. But I'd rather have him in my life in one way or another, than not at all.

There's nothing you can do to make someone love you. But would you want to?

You've put it all out there for him and he's not interested in a romatic relationship with you, yeah it hurts but it's not healthy for you to continue this way. But I gotta give it to you, you took a risk. Life is about taking risk. If you do nothing, then nothing happens. I agree that you've got to get into something else. And I don't think that you can move on with him still in your life. Cutting off all contact with him sounds like the best thing for you. You'll find someone else, you'll put it all out there for him and he'll take it and love you right back.



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04 Apr 2012, 1:31 am

These kind of situations unfortunately seem way more common than they intuitively should be. Things such as "He says things like he has never loved me in 'that way', and I have always been his soulmate, his oxygen" baffle me. If you're that close to someone, you may not want to marry him/her, but wouldn't you at least, like, want to try making out to see how it felt??

But, it unfortunately has been my experience that "easy" relationships, i.e. ones where two people get along right from the start, feel an early sense of commonality, like they have always known each other, etc. never lead to mutual attraction. If the first few encounters are not dominated by clear-cut attraction and some sort of tension shared by both sides, then one person always ends up wanting to be just friends (or in my case, FWB sometimes). It used to always be the girls who were more platonic, but now that I've become desperate and am meeting more often with women I feel are significantly below my "league", it is sometimes they who feel the strong romantic pull and I'm indifferent.

It's a shame that so often one needs some "bumps in the way" or the whole stereotypical straight male/straight female dynamic for mutual attraction. It seems that a couple of a boyish man and a tomboy, or of two artists who share an imagination, who get along really well, should often lead to more than a friendship, but I've never experienced it.