Females: do you consider yourself physically attractive?
For some of us, the thought on makeup is, "Less is more." I'd rather see a gal for who and what she is... not a layer of goop and paste.
That said, one must still put SOME pride in their appearance... if one rolls out of bed and goes out looking dumpy, they're going to get a worse reaction than someone who cleaned up, put on some nice clothes, brushes their teeth & hair... such things show the world "I care, I matter" and are treated better than lump-a-dump above.
It may not seem fair, but that's just the way it is.
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I agree with you and it's so annoying. I saw men I know in real life calling a celebrity woman's boobs sagging once on facebook about her nude-ish photo when they were not even sagging. That's what normal breasts look like!! ! I would have butted in and said that but another woman got there first. Btw, you look really pretty to me.
I also agree with what people have said about dressing or makeup. I get treated better when I dress more femininely too. I never wear much makeup (I don't know how) but I get treated better if I have a little on my eyes or something.
edit: Don't get me wrong, I don't hate men for this. I blame the media and modern culture, where sex and fakeness is staring everyone in the face left, right and centre...

As a guy, I completely am in your corner. I truly believe the media blows "sex and fakeness" out of proportion. In all honesty, I don't need someone who overdoes makeup or designer clothing; in fact, to me, if it's overdone, I automatically become intimidated because I then believe them as having a superficial, pompous, "I'm the world's jewel" attitude. Same thing applies if all the girl ever talks about is her concern about her looks. It's almost like she's asking to be treated as an object instead of a person.
But you make an interesting point: if subtle makeup is what's necessary to go out in public (due to overblown social standards) then I don't mind.
Even so, I think most men to some degree will use looks as part of their judgment process; I believe it's a part of human nature. It's just a matter of how much balance there is between outer looks, and personality. Me? I'm much more about a girl's personality. If she has a beautiful personality, then looks don't really matter as much to me. It sucks what society has lead most men to believe is "beautiful", but a strong personality can mean the world to the right guy.
THIS. I've dated guys who hated it when I wore make-up, and wanted me to go bare-faced all the time, but if I go into the mall for example, I get treated very poorly if I don't look well composed. Make-up isn't just for me, or to attract men. It's to be treated respectfully at work, receive good service at stores and restaurants, etc etc etc. Whether or not you think society should be that way is a totally different topic, but unfortunately, if I want to buy a nice pair of shoes, I'm going to have to do my hair and make-up to even get service.
LOL, what? You wear make up to attract attention. There's a reason why people treat you better. You look more attractive with make-up on. You know this and that's why you do it. You're taking advantage of the feminine role in society.
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I'm trying to understand how women (but not men) being required to put goop on their faces to be respected or get good service, or be considered attractive, constitutes an "advantage".
In other news, up is is now down, and black will henceforth be known as "white".
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Yes, I do think I look quite OK. Although it varies from day to day. Some days I wake up and think: Wooah, my hair looks really gorgeous today. And the other day I could wake up, look in the mirror, and think I look horrible. So it depends. But I think I am quite attractive, yes.
I hope you caught the fact SOME of us guys don't like the goop! Nothing's more beautiful than unspoiled skin!

I hope you caught the fact SOME of us guys don't like the goop! Nothing's more beautiful than unspoiled skin!

I hope you caught the fact that it's not all about attracting potential partners.
Also, my make-up isn't goop. If you could appreciate what you like without disparaging other choice that would be nice.
I like that SOME guys like us regardless of how we style ourselves.
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I hope you caught the fact SOME of us guys don't like the goop! Nothing's more beautiful than unspoiled skin!

I hope you caught the fact that it's not all about attracting potential partners.
Also, my make-up isn't goop. If you could appreciate what you like without disparaging other choice that would be nice.
I like that SOME guys like us regardless of how we style ourselves.
Try to be supportive and what do you get? A personal attack. Hissss!! !
The same goes for both men and women, if you go out looking like a slob in sweatpants you'll be treated worse than if you cleaned up and wore something decent. Gussy up even more you'll be treated a little better still. Whether it's a pretty dress or a shirt & tie, the term "dress for success" isn't just for the workplace.
I hope you caught the fact SOME of us guys don't like the goop! Nothing's more beautiful than unspoiled skin!

I hope you caught the fact that it's not all about attracting potential partners.
Also, my make-up isn't goop. If you could appreciate what you like without disparaging other choice that would be nice.
I like that SOME guys like us regardless of how we style ourselves.
Try to be supportive and what do you get? A personal attack. Hissss!! !
The same goes for both men and women, if you go out looking like a slob in sweatpants you'll be treated worse than if you cleaned up and wore something decent. Gussy up even more you'll be treated a little better still. Whether it's a pretty dress or a shirt & tie, the term "dress for success" isn't just for the workplace.
I hope you're joking cause that was in no way a personal attack.
I was just trying to explain to you why that kind of statement isn't as supportive as you think it is.
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I have to wonder at the (well-meaning) beliefs of men who dislike makeup on women and who prefer a "natural" face. Often these "natural" faces still have makeup on, it just is only a minimal amount, and if these men actually saw women with NO makeup on and no efforts at all at doing their hair then maybe they wouldn't be quite so into the idea.
I agree with a previous poster that as women if we DON'T put makeup on, we stand out MORE and get more attention but NOT in a good way!
I wear makeup to prevent myself from attracting bad attention because I have enough stuff to deal with than having to also deal with people's negative opinions on how I look. And yes, people quite happily volunteer their opinion to you on that!!
I seem to have gone through stages in my Life re attractiveness. I look good for a number of years, then not so good, etc.
At my current job it is very important to "look good" and so I had to really learn how to do it. So now I have more of an idea of HOW to look good if I want to, but I much prefer to be comfy with no makeup and no hair-do lol
People these days seem to consider me attractive, but it really is in the eye of the beholder. For some men I am the most attractive woman they have ever seen, and for other men, I am really not appealing AT ALL. So, meh, who knows, and I don't really care too much, especially since I am happily engaged and my partner likes me which is all that counts.
I agree that it helps with getting through day to day things with regards to how people treat you, but when it comes to whether other men find me attractive or not, who cares, I am pretty jaded with regard to that idea. In my "black and white" attitude (hard to get rid of) men will either make you feel awful if you are ugly, or if you are "pretty" they will only want you for one thing, and that's just boring and insulting.
These days it appears "attractive" is based around whether a woman looks like she enjoys having sex or not. So, men feel that they must find a woman like that, and women think they have to be like that. There is so much more to Life!! !! I do wonder at the future of this World... (am talking generally here, I realise there are exceptions)
Like I said earlier... "Less is more". There's a few ladies in the hundreds I work with that wear none and could probably use just a little - and a few that must require a chisel to remove it every day. The same goes for us guys though (although not the face so much!) We have to do our hair nice so we don't look all scruffy like we don't care and super careful we don't get stinky!

The long & short of it, either gender - the nicer you make yourself look, the more respect you appear to deserve. It's madness, really... humans are crazy.

I agree with a previous poster that as women if we DON'T put makeup on, we stand out MORE and get more attention but NOT in a good way!
I wear makeup to prevent myself from attracting bad attention because I have enough stuff to deal with than having to also deal with people's negative opinions on how I look. And yes, people quite happily volunteer their opinion to you on that!!
I seem to have gone through stages in my Life re attractiveness. I look good for a number of years, then not so good, etc.
At my current job it is very important to "look good" and so I had to really learn how to do it. So now I have more of an idea of HOW to look good if I want to, but I much prefer to be comfy with no makeup and no hair-do lol
People these days seem to consider me attractive, but it really is in the eye of the beholder. For some men I am the most attractive woman they have ever seen, and for other men, I am really not appealing AT ALL. So, meh, who knows, and I don't really care too much, especially since I am happily engaged and my partner likes me which is all that counts.
I agree that it helps with getting through day to day things with regards to how people treat you, but when it comes to whether other men find me attractive or not, who cares, I am pretty jaded with regard to that idea. In my "black and white" attitude (hard to get rid of) men will either make you feel awful if you are ugly, or if you are "pretty" they will only want you for one thing, and that's just boring and insulting.
These days it appears "attractive" is based around whether a woman looks like she enjoys having sex or not. So, men feel that they must find a woman like that, and women think they have to be like that. There is so much more to Life!! !! I do wonder at the future of this World... (am talking generally here, I realise there are exceptions)
I agree, there is far more to life than physical attraction of a woman. If more men woke up and saw that, they'd probably be able to lead much happier lives themselves. I definitely can see how your black & white attitude would paint such a bleak picture of men. I'm told I can see only in black & white on a lot of issues too.
But it's also just as you say, there are exceptions.
sometimes i wear makeup and sometimes i don't. i tend to disappear into the background when i am barefaced, so if i want to stand out i wear it. i don't like wearing light makeup as it feels boring and pointless, so usually i have heavy and colourful eye makeup on. it's more fun for me.
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The long & short of it, either gender - the nicer you make yourself look, the more respect you appear to deserve.
I think the crux is that women have to do a helluva lot more than men do to be considered to "look nice", and thus "deserve respect".
There was a time when wearing makeup would have branded one's self a whore, and now it's the "standard" mask women have to adopt, it would seem.
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The long & short of it, either gender - the nicer you make yourself look, the more respect you appear to deserve.
I think the crux is that women have to do a helluva lot more than men do to be considered to "look nice", and thus "deserve respect".
There was a time when wearing makeup would have branded one's self a whore, and now it's the "standard" mask women have to adopt, it would seem.
In my honest opinion, I believe wearing TONS and TONS of makeup still brands women as whores. The "standard mask" I believe is the typical amount of makeup you see on women everyday (this of course can vary depending on the individual).
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The long & short of it, either gender - the nicer you make yourself look, the more respect you appear to deserve.
I think the crux is that women have to do a helluva lot more than men do to be considered to "look nice", and thus "deserve respect".
There was a time when wearing makeup would have branded one's self a whore, and now it's the "standard" mask women have to adopt, it would seem.
In my honest opinion, I believe wearing TONS and TONS of makeup still brands women as whores. The "standard mask" I believe is the typical amount of makeup you see on women everyday (this of course can vary depending on the individual).
I didn't reference any one "amount", which is hopelessly-subjective.
The fact that it could go from being associated with prostitution (in the West) to being "typical", and something "you see on women everyday", to the point of it being associated with not even "looking nice" without it was the point.
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