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07 Aug 2012, 5:44 pm

Creepy is a word basically given by a girl to an unwanted unattractive guy who's persecuting her.



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07 Aug 2012, 6:04 pm

i swear to god theres an echo in wp. twice in one day now.



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07 Aug 2012, 8:26 pm

I'm a woman and have been called creepy.
I believe it has to do with crossing "boundaries". Boundaries are limits placed around oneself that I guess NT's seem to have and innate sense of. When you have difficulty understanding the social rules, non verbal cues, and difficulty with communication it just seems like a recipe for disaster.
It makes me think twice about everything that comes out of my mouth and how it may be interpreted. This of course makes for difficult conversation and hence more creepiness.
I can't win. :oops:



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08 Aug 2012, 2:13 am

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there is no "moral relativism" involved in deciding for someone else what is best for their safety.

Therefore all women are allowed to bash men for their potential to be violent rapists and all men are allowed to bash women for their potential to be manipulative golddiggers - they're only protecting their safety...


hah, the other day i was showing this girls pics of my friend's fancy wedding and she literally said (translated) "wow, i really should to get a man with a lot money to have a such wedding", I quickly moved her to the golddigger list in my head lol, maybe she's not and she was just expressing an instant wish but I do that for my own safety.

Is this wrong? NO.



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08 Aug 2012, 8:27 am

Creepy means you crossed a line, whatever reason, however unfair/fair it may have been, there was a line and you stepped over it


To guys who feel they are unfairly labeled "creepy because of their looks-

Think of approaching someone as a game of redlight greenlight. With context/body language/and actual language I find that people tend to display a "yes approach me" greenlight or a "no go away" redlight (or yellow, but that gets muddy so not yet). Sometimes it's hard for me to read those lights because of my autism and also because some situations are confusing (so sometimes I do things that seem creepy without meaning to) but more often than not, if I'm being thoughtful and paying attention I get an accurate read.
If you approach when someone is hanging a green light, you're likely to be well received.
If you approach when someone is hanging a red light, you're more likely to be poorly received or even read as creepy because there was a social cue you missed by going forward at a stoplight and that kind of reckless driving can trigger the "something isn't right here" sensor.

Where I think physical attractiveness does come into play, is in whether you get a green or red light. I think attractive people are more likely to get a green light and because of that are less likely to run a red light and get a negative evaluation (a "creep" ticket).
Unattractive people may be more likely to get a red light (which is expressed with body language and social cues) and so have more chances to run a redlight.

The fault that earning the creepy label is not the looks, the fault is in ignoring or not being aware of the red light.
If you want to avoid negative labeling, pay attention and don't run red lights. If you want more green lights, make some changes.


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08 Aug 2012, 8:40 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Creepy means you crossed a line, whatever reason, however unfair/fair it may have been, there was a line and you stepped over it


Maybe, but a hot guy definitely has a much farther line, a line subjectively set by the girl of course.



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The fault that earning the creepy label is not the looks, the fault is in ignoring or not being aware of the red light.
If you want to avoid negative labeling, pay attention and don't run red lights. If you want more green lights, make some changes.


No, it has a lot to do with the looks, if a hot guy approaches a girl then it's more likely for the girl to switch her light to green. :)


Btw, I have never been called creep.



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08 Aug 2012, 8:47 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Creepy means you crossed a line, whatever reason, however unfair/fair it may have been, there was a line and you stepped over it


To guys who feel they are unfairly labeled "creepy because of their looks-

Think of approaching someone as a game of redlight greenlight. With context/body language/and actual language I find that people tend to display a "yes approach me" greenlight or a "no go away" redlight (or yellow, but that gets muddy so not yet). Sometimes it's hard for me to read those lights because of my autism and also because some situations are confusing (so sometimes I do things that seem creepy without meaning to) but more often than not, if I'm being thoughtful and paying attention I get an accurate read.
If you approach when someone is hanging a green light, you're likely to be well received.
If you approach when someone is hanging a red light, you're more likely to be poorly received or even read as creepy because there was a social cue you missed by going forward at a stoplight and that kind of reckless driving can trigger the "something isn't right here" sensor.

Where I think physical attractiveness does come into play, is in whether you get a green or red light. I think attractive people are more likely to get a green light and because of that are less likely to run a red light and get a negative evaluation (a "creep" ticket).
Unattractive people may be more likely to get a red light (which is expressed with body language and social cues) and so have more chances to run a redlight.

The fault that earning the creepy label is not the looks, the fault is in ignoring or not being aware of the red light.
If you want to avoid negative labeling, pay attention and don't run red lights. If you want more green lights, make some changes.


Hum...I never actually thought of it that way. It might be tough at first, but I think I'll use that analogy from now on. Works best when figuring out when to approach someone! Thanks, DWH!! ! Now to figure out how to tailor this method to send a red light to other people...


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08 Aug 2012, 8:59 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Maybe, but a hot guy definitely has a much farther line, a line subjectively set by the girl of course.

No, it has a lot to do with the looks, if a hot guy approaches a girl then it's more likely for the girl to switch her light to green. :)


Btw, I have never been called creep.


1.) uhh yeah, people (even women) get to set their own boundaries, we aren't a public service we're allowed to consent to things with some people without consenting to those things with every person...that's basic

2.) again, uhh yeah, it's related in this particular kind of instance but it's not the thing that is creepy,the creepy thing is the deliberate or accidental ignorance of the appropriate behavior for the social situation (the other persons receptiveness is a big factor of the situation that you're responsible for at least attempting to gauge)

3.) umm, good for you buddy?


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08 Aug 2012, 11:21 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Creepy means you crossed a line, whatever reason, however unfair/fair it may have been, there was a line and you stepped over it


Maybe, but a hot guy definitely has a much farther line, a line subjectively set by the girl of course.



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The fault that earning the creepy label is not the looks, the fault is in ignoring or not being aware of the red light.
If you want to avoid negative labeling, pay attention and don't run red lights. If you want more green lights, make some changes.


No, it has a lot to do with the looks, if a hot guy approaches a girl then it's more likely for the girl to switch her light to green. :)


Btw, I have never been called creep.


"Surprisingly" enough guys are likelier to tolerate a heavier amount of sh*t from girls if they find them attractive(this applies to: signs of being mentally unstable(which is usually what creepy refers to ) controlling behaviour, taking advantage of them...)

Dont see why some of you are so focused on the looks part since it applies to both genders.



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08 Aug 2012, 11:54 am

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Dont see why some of you are so focused on the looks part since it applies to both genders.


Because it seems men have to put up with a lot more. They have to treat women 'properly', but don't have to be treated properly by women. If you look closely, some of the things you see about women chasing men wouldn't be legal, let alone tolerated, if the genders were reversed. Imagine a group of lusty women chasing a man. Does that sound ideal? Imagine a group of lusty men chasing a woman. Gallows ready?



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08 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
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Dont see why some of you are so focused on the looks part since it applies to both genders.


Because it seems men have to put up with a lot more. They have to treat women 'properly', but don't have to be treated properly by women. If you look closely, some of the things you see about women chasing men wouldn't be legal, let alone tolerated, if the genders were reversed. Imagine a group of lusty women chasing a man. Does that sound ideal? Imagine a group of lusty men chasing a women. Gallows ready?

Do you have any evidence to back up that men are judged more by their looks than females?(What we were discussing on my post).
Ive heard both claims countless times and the funny thing is that neither of the sides can actually back up their claims in most of the occasions.

I cant agree with you on that second assessment. As a matter of fact theres a feminist that did a movie to broadcast this behaviour you are describing where she made a girl follow a guy around the country in several illegal ways and the movie only lasted on the theatres for a week/won worst movie of the year.
When she was asked what made her do this film she said that she wanted to see how people would react to behaviour that would put a male on jail if it came from a female
This actress/director won an oscar the same year and does similar movies the whole time yet this one only lasted on the theaters for a week because everyone was outraged with the fact that the movie made her behaviour look okay.
(seen the movie and there are way worse things released out there but this one caught the attention of the media)
This film was in fact better than the standard thing she does(similar vapid romcoms) because it had some decent dialogue and whatnot(yes I have seen it several times) yet most of her films are huge successes on the box office and this was a flop. The only thing that they changed was that they added a creepy attitude to the female character



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08 Aug 2012, 12:34 pm

for me its not even that its looks subjective, its that its subjective that gets me. I dont recall ever being called creepy, but its because i work hard to not get that label. But the fact that what can be done has different creepiness levels simply because of who does it is not good for anyone, let alone fair. It shows a degree of selfish behaviors and an underlying tone of mistrust that can be evolved into, or came from hate.



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08 Aug 2012, 3:11 pm

spongy wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Creepy means you crossed a line, whatever reason, however unfair/fair it may have been, there was a line and you stepped over it


Maybe, but a hot guy definitely has a much farther line, a line subjectively set by the girl of course.



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The fault that earning the creepy label is not the looks, the fault is in ignoring or not being aware of the red light.
If you want to avoid negative labeling, pay attention and don't run red lights. If you want more green lights, make some changes.


No, it has a lot to do with the looks, if a hot guy approaches a girl then it's more likely for the girl to switch her light to green. :)


Btw, I have never been called creep.


"Surprisingly" enough guys are likelier to tolerate a heavier amount of sh*t from girls if they find them attractive(this applies to: signs of being mentally unstable(which is usually what creepy refers to ) controlling behaviour, taking advantage of them...)

Dont see why some of you are so focused on the looks part since it applies to both genders.



I totally agree with you there, see? both have the same s**t.

But we're talking about the 'creep' problem here and it's typically a male problem for some reason.



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08 Aug 2012, 5:24 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No, it has a lot to do with the looks, if a hot guy approaches a girl then it's more likely for the girl to switch her light to green. :).


And what about guys like me who DON'T run a red light and don't even know WTF is going on and STILL get called creepy? I've gotten called creepy (by a woman, no less) simply for walking down the street and reading a newspaper before. :S In a PUBLIC place, mind you.

Again, like I said before, if I was a handsome Adonis-type man, I wouldn't have that problem, I believe. But it's inconsequential to me now anyway. :P


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