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08 Apr 2013, 8:15 pm

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How do you describe the attractive characteristics of your wife?

Active
Affectionate
Cheerful
Clean
Compassionate
Confident
Diplomatic
Discreet
Educated
Feminine
Healthy
Honest
Humble
Humorous (Good sense of humour)
Intelligent
Loving
Low-Maintenance
Mature
Patient
Responsible
Shapely
Sympathetic
Thoughtful


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08 Apr 2013, 8:18 pm

Uwmonkdm,^^^^^This is a first,a man complaining of getting too much :lol:
Not trying to make too much fun of your exploits,it's just most men dream of too much.
Sorry about any bad experiences you had to deal with.


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08 Apr 2013, 8:29 pm

Fnord wrote:
ShelbyGt500 wrote:
How do you describe the attractive characteristics of your wife?

Active
Affectionate
Cheerful
Clean
Compassionate
Confident
Diplomatic
Discreet
Educated
Feminine
Healthy
Honest
Humble
Humorous (Good sense of humour)
Intelligent
Loving
Low-Maintenance
Mature
Patient
Responsible
Shapely
Sympathetic
Thoughtful


This is what I expected. From what I can see, you are a perfectly normal autistic list-maker - more a characteristic of a highly analytical and detailed thinker, as opposed to someone who is intolerant.



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08 Apr 2013, 8:50 pm

Maybe Fnord just loves her so much he is oblivious to any flaws she may have. :wink:
Love is suppose to be blind, but it does sound like he hit the jackpot.


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08 Apr 2013, 8:58 pm

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Maybe Fnord just loves her so much he is oblivious to any flaws she may have. :wink:
Love is suppose to be blind, but it does sound like he hit the jackpot.


Actually, this is a point I made in another thread. After a woman becomes sufficiently attractive and a bond is established, superficial flaws often disappear. That happens to me. When I fall for a chick, everything about her becomes an identifier related to someone I like. It's an association thing.



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08 Apr 2013, 9:32 pm

Contextual information, I date people of all genders, if a deal breaker is specific to a gender then I will specify, if I do not specify it's safe to assume it's a universal criteria.

For me deal breakers would be -
People who take illegal drugs, or drink alcohol excessively (which for me, is getting drunk more than twice a month)
People who smoke
Women with large breasts
Men with large penis'
People with displeasing body odour (I enjoy some body odour, but after a point it's just gross)
People who bad breath
People over 6ft (I'm extremely short, this is a practical requirement, I don't have the motor control to tiptoe every time I want to kiss)
People who grew up in a wealthy and privileged situation (e.g. parents earning £500,000+ a year, and sent to private school) who refuse to acknowledge that it's an advantage they hold over people who haven't been so privileged
People who are classist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, bi-phobic, or ableist
People who's breath smells of coffee (I hate the smell of coffee)
People who don't read, unless that have a condition that makes reading very hard for them (e.g. dyslexia)
People who play their music loudly on buses
People who want to have children
People who have children who live with them (I would be fine with people who live separately from their children provided I do not have to take on a parental role)
People who have a blanket hate over all feminists
Women who are radical feminists (even if they are trans-inclusionary radical feminists)
People who see science subjects as inherently superior
People who make ad hoc arguments during debates
People who think film cannot be an art form
People who belief that ADHD is just a sign of 'lack of disciple', depression is just 'a bad attitude' etc. etc.
People who imply that mean people must have been abused as a child as an insult to the mean person (as a person who was abused as a child this kind of 'comebacks' have made a significant dent in my self-esteem, and they're just not funny)
Militant vegans
People who make derogatory comments about women who have bodily hair
People who make derogatory comments about men who display strong emotions
People who expect me to understand their non-verbal communication
People who get angry at me for stuff I did in their dreams (happened enough with an ex of mine that it's made a list of things I hate!)
People who talk about the sex they have with they partner without their partner's express permission
People who dislike cats, snakes or birds
People who cannot appreciate my sense of humour (it's fair enough not to, I just don't think it would work with someone who didn't)
Men who shave or wax their chest
Women who shave or wax their pubic hair
People who expect me to always pay for outings
People who expect me to exchange gifts on birthdays, valentines and Christmas (I just don't. I don't want any in return either)
People who want lots of romantic gestures, like chocolates and flowers
People who cannot accept criticism
People with high sex drives
People who are sexually submissive (I'm not at all sexually dominant so nothing would ever happen between us)
Narcissists
Mentally ill people who aren't taking any steps to manage their conditions (e.g. being schizophrenic but refusing medications etc)
People who have negative attitudes towards all video games (e.g. they're a waste of time, they're stupid etc. etc.)
Biblical literalists

I'm sure there's more, but this is the main stuff. I feel some people may say that I'm picky, but I agree with Fnord on this one, it's important to know what you desire from a partner and to know what is non-negotiable for you.

I have a partner who I've been with for almost three years now, so this list is workings pretty well for me at the moment.



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08 Apr 2013, 10:06 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Maybe Fnord just loves her so much he is oblivious to any flaws she may have. :wink:
Love is suppose to be blind, but it does sound like he hit the jackpot.

I like to think so.

As for list-making, I hated doing it until I started my business management courses. Then I realized how essential lists are to making plans, setting goals, and getting things done.

The trick is knowing when to stop.

Freeze
Halt
Pause

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08 Apr 2013, 11:23 pm

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Abusive
Addicted (drugs, gambling, internet, et cetera)
Always right
Ambitionless
Arrogant
Bad breath
Bad teeth
Bedridden
Body odor
Born male
Bossy
Bullying
Compulsive
Conceited
Controlling
Depressive disorder (any)
Desperate
Diabetic
Disorganized
Extreme political views
Extreme religious views
Facial hair
Fake (in any way)
Feminazi
Feminista
Fundamentalist
Hateful
Humorless
Hypocritical
Idolizes/worships her father
Ignorant
Immature
Impatient
Indiscreet piercings
Indiscreet tattoos
Insecure
Intrusive
Irresponsible
Kids from more than one father
Liar
Makeup in layers
Manipulative
Masculine
Murderer
Narcissistic/vain
Not over past relationships
Obese
Obsessive
Petty
Porn "actress"
Possessive
Prison record
Provocative fashion sense
Racist
Sarcastic
Schizophrenic
Self-Righteous
Selfish
Sexist
Solipsistic
Spiteful
Tobacco use (any)
Unemployable
Unhappy with everything (chronic complainer)
Unintelligent
Unsympathetic
Victim of everything
Wheelchair-bound


This just proves everything that I suspected about your character from our run-in in that other thread.

Oh well. It's a shame.

Please don't bother replying. Really, please don't.
I was merely struck by the sheer and complete accuracy of my gut instinct about what was coming across from our interaction.
But then, my intuition has always been off the scales.

Derail of thread over. Just wanted to say.

Cf


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09 Apr 2013, 3:57 am

Please try to avoid provoking other members, you can do better than this and its against the rules



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09 Apr 2013, 11:30 am

I maintain only three deal breakers

Ugly
Boring
Needy



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09 Apr 2013, 11:36 am

FalsettoTesla wrote:
Contextual information, I date people of all genders, if a deal breaker is specific to a gender then I will specify, if I do not specify it's safe to assume it's a universal criteria.

For me deal breakers would be -
People who take illegal drugs, or drink alcohol excessively (which for me, is getting drunk more than twice a month)
People who smoke
Women with large breasts
Men with large penis'
People with displeasing body odour (I enjoy some body odour, but after a point it's just gross)
People who bad breath
People over 6ft (I'm extremely short, this is a practical requirement, I don't have the motor control to tiptoe every time I want to kiss)
People who grew up in a wealthy and privileged situation (e.g. parents earning £500,000+ a year, and sent to private school) who refuse to acknowledge that it's an advantage they hold over people who haven't been so privileged
People who are classist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, bi-phobic, or ableist
People who's breath smells of coffee (I hate the smell of coffee)
People who don't read, unless that have a condition that makes reading very hard for them (e.g. dyslexia)
People who play their music loudly on buses
People who want to have children
People who have children who live with them (I would be fine with people who live separately from their children provided I do not have to take on a parental role)
People who have a blanket hate over all feminists
Women who are radical feminists (even if they are trans-inclusionary radical feminists)
People who see science subjects as inherently superior
People who make ad hoc arguments during debates
People who think film cannot be an art form
People who belief that ADHD is just a sign of 'lack of disciple', depression is just 'a bad attitude' etc. etc.
People who imply that mean people must have been abused as a child as an insult to the mean person (as a person who was abused as a child this kind of 'comebacks' have made a significant dent in my self-esteem, and they're just not funny)
Militant vegans
People who make derogatory comments about women who have bodily hair
People who make derogatory comments about men who display strong emotions
People who expect me to understand their non-verbal communication
People who get angry at me for stuff I did in their dreams (happened enough with an ex of mine that it's made a list of things I hate!)
People who talk about the sex they have with they partner without their partner's express permission
People who dislike cats, snakes or birds
People who cannot appreciate my sense of humour (it's fair enough not to, I just don't think it would work with someone who didn't)
Men who shave or wax their chest
Women who shave or wax their pubic hair
People who expect me to always pay for outings
People who expect me to exchange gifts on birthdays, valentines and Christmas (I just don't. I don't want any in return either)
People who want lots of romantic gestures, like chocolates and flowers
People who cannot accept criticism
People with high sex drives
People who are sexually submissive (I'm not at all sexually dominant so nothing would ever happen between us)
Narcissists
Mentally ill people who aren't taking any steps to manage their conditions (e.g. being schizophrenic but refusing medications etc)
People who have negative attitudes towards all video games (e.g. they're a waste of time, they're stupid etc. etc.)
Biblical literalists

I'm sure there's more, but this is the main stuff. I feel some people may say that I'm picky, but I agree with Fnord on this one, it's important to know what you desire from a partner and to know what is non-negotiable for you.

I have a partner who I've been with for almost three years now, so this list is workings pretty well for me at the moment.


This is a joke right?



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09 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

Lilya wrote:
Cafeaulait wrote:
ShelbyGt500 wrote:
Lilya wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
Rape/molestation victim


I found especially this one unfairly harsh. You do realize how many women get at least molested in their lifetime? Besides, if your girlfriend would be raped when in a relationship with her, would you dump her because of that? 8O


I think the guy who wrote this is in Canada. In North America, where I am located, the general population of women is predominately anti-male. It is very easy for a North American woman to generalize a single incident with one man into general mistrust and hatred toward all men in a way the preempts a successful relationship. There is an "every man should be regarded as a potential rapist" undercurrent within Feminism. I suspect he is not trying to be harsh toward victims of crime, rather he is facing the reality of the situation.


So? He just named a list of exclusion criteria, which I find utterly ret*d. There are always amazing people that are not going to fit one or two of those criteria.
I study psychology, Many rape victims around the world have trust issues, but many of them can overcome these problems for a large part and even become amazing partners if they have recieved proper therapy and help in the past. Why would you stigmatise a whole diverse group?


^^^^ This.

I am a rape victim myself and I don't know any young woman who hasn't been sexually harassed during their lives. This has never prevented me from having a loving, trusting relationship and have a lot of wonderful male friends and an active dating and sex life. This is also the case with any female friend that I have.

Frankly, I find generalizing that all molested women are "undateable" due to events they can't have had any influence on just as stupid as generalizing that all men are rapists.


In my opinion, this is not about women considered undateables, but about how people nowadays are becoming more and more selfish and don't want to make any investment in any relation if the payback is not guaranteed. A molested victim involves a risk, since this person can or can not overcome her issues. But the same applies to child abuse, or people chronically depresssed, or shy people, or any people in the world that need some kind of support and trust to go ahead.

The paradox here is that us, as aspergers, we need trust and support to develop our best. Whe should know the value of the empathy since we are the first ones to need it. Unfortunately, being asperger is not always a synonime of being fair.


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09 Apr 2013, 1:24 pm

Smoking is my biggest dealbreaker, it wouldn't be fair to ask her not to smoke around me whenever/before we saw each other constantly as I'd be trying to change her. Cheating in previous relationships also would be a dealbreaker, I take trust seriously, I appreciate mistakes can be made but with cheating, it seems to be easy (I've never cheated) for someone to keep doing it if they've done it once.



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09 Apr 2013, 1:31 pm

Greb wrote:
In my opinion, this is not about women considered undateables, but about how people nowadays are becoming more and more selfish and don't want to make any investment in any relation if the payback is not guaranteed. A molested victim involves a risk, since this person can or can not overcome her issues. But the same applies to child abuse, or people chronically depresssed, or shy people, or any people in the world that need some kind of support and trust to go ahead.

The paradox here is that us, as aspergers, we need trust and support to develop our best. Whe should know the value of the empathy since we are the first ones to need it. Unfortunately, being asperger is not always a synonime of being fair.


All such situations involve risk and benefit. These days, there is little benefit to marriage or a quasi-marriage relationships. Even a dating relationship can be highly problematic. The modern world is becoming more amenable to single people - perhaps more so than for married or attached. It's a complex picture and each issue in a relationship is another straw on the camel's back, with being single as a reasonable alternative. Plus, in some parts of the world, women have a culturally reduced compatibility with men. So, with diminished benefit, the risks are proportionately elevated.

I do agree that the Asperger/autism community should try to have a high level of tolerance. For example, the long lists we see above are very typical of some autistics and may not be a manifestation of a specific attitude, nor occur only within a narrow context. What if we asked one of the long-list people about foods they dislike? Also, many members of the Asperger/autism community have hypersensitivities, some of which may seem arbitrary or counter-intuitive to others.



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09 Apr 2013, 2:29 pm

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Plus, in some parts of the world, women have a culturally reduced compatibility with men. So, with diminished benefit, the risks are proportionately elevated.

i haven't heard of any particular culture where there is actually a documented issue. care to provide a source for this?


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09 Apr 2013, 2:31 pm

Greb wrote:
...In my opinion, this is not about women considered undateables, but about how people nowadays are becoming more and more selfish and don't want to make any investment in any relation if the payback is not guaranteed. A molested victim involves a risk, since this person can or can not overcome her issues. But the same applies to child abuse, or people chronically depressed, or shy people, or any people in the world that need some kind of support and trust to go ahead...

I agree.

In addition, if there are only three people in the village available for marriage - an alcoholic, a rape victim, and a schizophrenic - to one other person, then the odds are that the one person is eventually going to marry one of the three available people.

But if there are over 30,000 people in the city available for marriage - each one different from all of the rest - then the one person looking for a marriage partner has a better chance of finding his or her "ideal" mate among them.

And since there are over 6,973,738,433 people in the world (2011 census), why should anyone have to compromise and settle for someone less than ideal?


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