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31 Mar 2007, 6:15 am

calandale wrote:

God is as real as the person thinking about it wants it to be.

And I think it's fake. XD

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31 Mar 2007, 6:29 am

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And I think it's fake. XD

I wholeheartedly agree with you, RedMage. In fact, I think the whole notion of God is dangerous. For one thing, people use God as an excuse to do all kinds of horrible things. (Don't make me make a list!) They also use God as a scapegoat, so they don't have to take the blame for their own problems or make an effort to change their own lives.

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31 Mar 2007, 6:32 am

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It's just not right...

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31 Mar 2007, 7:44 am

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Perhaps, but I can think of few easier ways to tap into the collective power. I go into churches and drain the power from centuries of belief. I have not found anything else which compares - though one might think that sporting events would.

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31 Mar 2007, 12:23 pm

I'm gonna disagree with all of you on this, because I know God is real. How do I know this? BEcause he has kept me from dying and others from dying on numerous occassions. In fifth grade I nearly drowned when I fell off a private boat launch, I blacked out for two seconds, but heard and felt the power of God giving me strength to get back up. In 7th grade, my uncle was diagnosed with Cancer, and was not given much time to live, but now I am a freshman in college and it has been six years when he was only given six months or so to live.

So anyone who wants to say that there is no God, go ahead, because that's your own choice to believe what you want. But howver, when you die, you'd just better hope there is no God, because you will stand before him as he judges you, and if there is any disbelief in any of you, you will find suffering in the afterlife.

So I calmly ask you to explore this, trust me when I say there is a faith, and at the same time, trust what you see around you. ask yourself how all this came to be, how the world the way it is could of been brought to where it is without divine intervention.

please. that is all I ask.

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31 Mar 2007, 12:58 pm

:roll:

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31 Mar 2007, 4:53 pm

Gamester wrote:

So anyone who wants to say that there is no God, go ahead, because that's your own choice to believe what you want. But howver, when you die, you'd just better hope there is no God, because you will stand before him as he judges you, and if there is any disbelief in any of you, you will find suffering in the afterlife.

You sound like a preacher. And not one of those ones who informs you and allows you to make up your own mind, but one of those who tells you to believe what he/she does or else.

"Believe in God, or else he will judge you and punish you when you die" - firstly, that sounds like a threat of some sort. Is that how you try to get people to believe - with threats? Secondly, if God is all forgiving and good, as is very often claimed, then why would he punish you for having your own opinion?

I'm not insulting you or anyone else that believes in God. I stated my thoughts on what "God" is earlier in the thread, and I'm happy to allow those who believe to do so. But I think I can safely say that those who don't believe or aren't sure won't appreciate having this type of thing shoved down their throat in such a manner.

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31 Mar 2007, 5:17 pm

And those who believe, and reason about it, will surely see that God must be evil.

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31 Mar 2007, 5:38 pm

It's all a lie to get people into it. :roll:

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31 Mar 2007, 5:40 pm

I don't believe in God.

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31 Mar 2007, 5:57 pm

I could pray to a banana and still, it would change nothing.

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31 Mar 2007, 6:41 pm

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I could pray to a banana and still, it would change nothing.

Maybe for you, but the banana might enjoy it.

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31 Mar 2007, 6:56 pm

Esperanza wrote:

Summary:

Most of us think there's no God at all, and KenM made up an evil God to cast blame on someone other than himself.

One of us thinks there is a God, and God loves everyone, and KenM's evil God is made up so he can cast blame on someone other than himself. This person also thinks we should all "BE SOCIAL FOR GOSH SAKE" and is "also the resident pastor around here", and I have to question the sanity of the person who appointed him to that position (ESPECIALLY if he appointed himself).

More than one. Read my first message carefully. I believe in God.

And Gamester, I am still waiting for your answer about how to be social. I'd still love to know.

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31 Mar 2007, 8:36 pm

calandale wrote:

Anubis wrote:

I could pray to a banana and still, it would change nothing.

Maybe for you, but the banana might enjoy it.

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01 Apr 2007, 2:10 am

GoatOnFire wrote:

Esperanza wrote:

More than one. Read my first message carefully. I believe in God.

And Gamester, I am still waiting for your answer about how to be social. I'd still love to know.

Read my message carefully. I didn't say there weren't more people- just that most of us don't believe in God and that one of us is "the resident pastor around here." The entire second paragraph was about him- not anyone else.

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01 Apr 2007, 3:04 am

Esperanza wrote:

GoatOnFire wrote:

Esperanza wrote:

More than one. Read my first message carefully. I believe in God.

And Gamester, I am still waiting for your answer about how to be social. I'd still love to know.

Oh ok. I misread the "One of us thinks there is a God."

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