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05 Dec 2013, 1:17 pm

My adopted Mom(my Aunt),was a career woman.She had a small sausage company, and later managed a Dept. store.My Dad was also in business.They were married till death.He totally supported her.She would fly on business trips to Chicago and NY.What's amazing about this is that if she was alive she would be 113.She accomplished this back when women were mostly in the kitchen.Especially here in the South.She came from a rural background.Her family totally supported her in education.
I don't believe that she would have married a man who was not as accomplished as her.She worked hard to get where she did.Not only being a woman,but being a woman from a state that is considered backwards and ignorant.People up North would ask her if she wasn't ashamed to say she was from Arkansas.She always told them she was proud to be from here.


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05 Dec 2013, 1:53 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
the author is asking men that it's time to increase their own value themselves in the dating market by putting demands other than sex and looks.


What's holding men back?



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05 Dec 2013, 1:57 pm

Yuzu wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
the author is asking men that it's time to increase their own value themselves in the dating market by putting demands other than sex and looks.


What's holding men back?


Men themselves apparently, and the way they are conditionally raised by society and taught of the criteria they should seek in women.



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05 Dec 2013, 2:01 pm

Misslizard wrote:
My adopted Mom(my Aunt),was a career woman.She had a small sausage company, and later managed a Dept. store.My Dad was also in business.They were married till death.He totally supported her.She would fly on business trips to Chicago and NY.What's amazing about this is that if she was alive she would be 113.She accomplished this back when women were mostly in the kitchen.Especially here in the South.She came from a rural background.Her family totally supported her in education.
I don't believe that she would have married a man who was not as accomplished as her.She worked hard to get where she did.Not only being a woman,but being a woman from a state that is considered backwards and ignorant.People up North would ask her if she wasn't ashamed to say she was from Arkansas.She always told them she was proud to be from here.


And that's the main difference between the typical successful woman and the typical successful man, the former wouldn't accept a less accomplished man while the latter often accepts a much less accomplished woman - the article is sayings that men should start do like women and not accept women less accomplished than themselves.



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05 Dec 2013, 2:24 pm

In some ways you would have more in common.
But if there are kids,then someone has to put their career on hold when they are little.If the woman makes more money, it would be better for the family that Dad stays home.
I guess the thing that really matters is that you love your partner,than money or career should not matter.Be with who makes you happy.


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05 Dec 2013, 2:26 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
My adopted Mom(my Aunt),was a career woman.She had a small sausage company, and later managed a Dept. store.My Dad was also in business.They were married till death.He totally supported her.She would fly on business trips to Chicago and NY.What's amazing about this is that if she was alive she would be 113.She accomplished this back when women were mostly in the kitchen.Especially here in the South.She came from a rural background.Her family totally supported her in education.
I don't believe that she would have married a man who was not as accomplished as her.She worked hard to get where she did.Not only being a woman,but being a woman from a state that is considered backwards and ignorant.People up North would ask her if she wasn't ashamed to say she was from Arkansas.She always told them she was proud to be from here.


And that's the main difference between the typical successful woman and the typical successful man, the former wouldn't accept a less accomplished man while the latter often accepts a much less accomplished woman - the article is sayings that men should start do like women and not accept women less accomplished than themselves.


The article writer will have to also convince men that they shouldn't date women younger than themselves. That's going to be a dealbreaker a lot of times. The odds favor an equally accomplished woman also being an equally aged woman. A woman younger than the man in question is also likely to be less accomplished since accomplishments take time. Equal accomplishments and unequal ages (her being younger) could very well happen for co-workers at a low paying job, but that's not who this article is pitched at.



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05 Dec 2013, 3:46 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This is a good letter to all malekind.

http://www.businessinsider.com/men-shou ... men-2013-6


Yeah except they get married off so damn quickly.



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05 Dec 2013, 4:20 pm

Stalk wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This is a good letter to all malekind.

http://www.businessinsider.com/men-shou ... men-2013-6


Yeah except they get married off so damn quickly.


You mean if only a select few then it would backfire on them? yeah why women would pick men who are more demanding and ask for harder things than others?

But like feminism, it takes time to take off, feminists were at disadvantage in dating back then too.



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05 Dec 2013, 6:43 pm

It's not like all men get to choose from a vast array of women and pick exactly what they want. Ditto women.

We all settle, even those of us who insist we don't - it's inevitable because nobody is perfect yet everyone secretly yearns for some sort of perfection, even when they know full well it's impossible. This whole thing is probably Disney's fault to be honest.



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05 Dec 2013, 8:48 pm

Women as a whole fail utterly when held to the same standards as men. I think it is kind of depressing.



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05 Dec 2013, 10:29 pm

I need a woman who can pay for my steroids and penis enlargement surgeries.



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05 Dec 2013, 11:50 pm

A man's loyalty is tested once he has everything. A woman's loyalty is tested once her man has nothing. Ambition varies to individuals at times. You can feel supreme about your future in your early 20s. Have everything planned out. But also, you could end up finding your dream job/career at 33, and it could have nothing to do with the career you chose in your 20s.
If I become a star, celebrity, millionaire. I would be extremely hesitant on dating a woman who is equal to my social class. Successful women can have egos bigger than professional athletes . They will compete with you. And I don't have time for that. I don't want a woman to compete with me. I want her to grow with me. I'd date a successful woman as long as she doesn't let the success replace her as a person. If I happened to spot a woman working as a cashier at a supermaket and she was down to earth, gave a damn about her life, had good priorities. I'd take her over a "successful" woman any day. Success is not always measured in money.

I'd get the "Double Check" women often in dating. Those are the ones who bring their checklist with them. Do you have a car? Where do you live? Where you see yourself in five years? What job you do? It's okay to ask some background questions, but some information is just none of your business. If the guy can take care of himself, that's all that matters. If he can take you out on occasional dates, that's all that matters. It was like applying for a job.


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06 Dec 2013, 2:05 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Stalk wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This is a good letter to all malekind.

http://www.businessinsider.com/men-shou ... men-2013-6


Yeah except they get married off so damn quickly.


You mean if only a select few then it would backfire on them? yeah why women would pick men who are more demanding and ask for harder things than others?

But like feminism, it takes time to take off, feminists were at disadvantage in dating back then too.


My granddad married a woman 10 years younger than him. Why? because she was ambitious and the only one that liked his personality. He couldn't find one in his age range, because those type of ambitious go getter type women marry so early. Him the introverted sarcastic ass, she the go getter, ambitious woman.

Boo, we will have to get younger women that are legal to marry before someone else gets them. Those ambitious type women are very animated and all types of men notice them.



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06 Dec 2013, 2:43 am

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A man's loyalty is tested once he has everything. A woman's loyalty is tested once her man has nothing. Ambition varies to individuals at times. You can feel supreme about your future in your early 20s. Have everything planned out. But also, you could end up finding your dream job/career at 33, and it could have nothing to do with the career you chose in your 20s.
If I become a star, celebrity, millionaire. I would be extremely hesitant on dating a woman who is equal to my social class. Successful women can have egos bigger than professional athletes . They will compete with you. And I don't have time for that. I don't want a woman to compete with me. I want her to grow with me. I'd date a successful woman as long as she doesn't let the success replace her as a person. If I happened to spot a woman working as a cashier at a supermaket and she was down to earth, gave a damn about her life, had good priorities. I'd take her over a "successful" woman any day. Success is not always measured in money.

I'd get the "Double Check" women often in dating. Those are the ones who bring their checklist with them. Do you have a car? Where do you live? Where you see yourself in five years? What job you do? It's okay to ask some background questions, but some information is just none of your business. If the guy can take care of himself, that's all that matters. If he can take you out on occasional dates, that's all that matters. It was like applying for a job.


And it's this mindset of yours that over-empowers women and weaken men in dating; most successful women would not date a cashier man no matter what.

Also a cashier girl if she's studying something or has future plans is not the same as the cashier who's just waiting for a groom to save her ass, however most working women wouldn't even consider the male equivalent of the former cashier.

By accepting unambitious and uninteresting cashiers while you are a career man means that you are giving their femininity too much value for granted - a value that equates your hardworking and success.

As for the interview-like date thing, this is done by a lot of women, successful or not, and it's the dynamics I've talked about and the mindset of yours is what gave women the "employer" status in dating while men are just candidates. Have you asked them back the same questions? When they do that, you should ask them and you should be as critic as them.

It's time to start thinking like women when we select, this is what basically the article saying.



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06 Dec 2013, 3:54 am

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While in return, all what men they demand from women is good looks and loyalty - so while men have to work their asses to meet women's demands, all what the women have to do to be competitive in the dating market is getting nice looks and loyalty (which the latter can so easily be adopted or faked), and getting nice looks isn't hard for most young girls nowadays, with all the make up, surgeries and hairstyle tricks is all fairly easier than becoming financially successful, independent, sociable, handsome, interesting and ...and .....and.... all this have unequally empowered women in the dating market by making them the nitpickers while men are the nitpickees.


Good look is all you need to become a whore. Man like to f**k goodlooking woman, but most woman are interested in something more then becoming prostitutes. If you are that cheap kind of man, that you are sufficient with a good looking whore its ok, but most men, have more expectations on their lifepartner. ^^



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06 Dec 2013, 4:02 am

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While in return, all what men they demand from women is good looks and loyalty - so while men have to work their asses to meet women's demands, all what the women have to do to be competitive in the dating market is getting nice looks and loyalty (which the latter can so easily be adopted or faked), and getting nice looks isn't hard for most young girls nowadays, with all the make up, surgeries and hairstyle tricks is all fairly easier than becoming financially successful, independent, sociable, handsome, interesting and ...and .....and.... all this have unequally empowered women in the dating market by making them the nitpickers while men are the nitpickees.


Good look is all you need to become a whore. Man like to f**k goodlooking woman, but most woman are interested in something more then becoming prostitutes. If you are that cheap kind of man, that you are sufficient with a good looking whore its ok, but most men, have more expectations on their lifepartner. ^^


No, I am not talking about whore and I am not cheap, Shneek.

Good looks and sane mind are basically all what a young woman needs to become potential gf/groom to most men, and you know that - and it's the fault of men, I am blaming men exclusively and so the author of the article.