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05 Dec 2013, 11:27 pm

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Is it overt enough to ignore you or be told to stop staring to illustrate how displeased I am? Would that register? A good old ignore for an ignore? I've always been understanding, but I am v hurt now.


Did you ever think that he has incredibly low self-esteem and does not know how you feel? He might think he did something wrong and you are going to yell at him. He has no idea how you feel because he cannot read body language or infer how you feel from social scripts (i.e. if someone acts this way it means such and such even though that person has not literally said anything).

Speaking for me, as a man with aspergers and a 100% failure rate with approaching women, my first response is to feel guilty, like I did something wrong. The last thing on my mind is to think that I have hurt the girls feelings by ignoring her. I'm worried about getting accused of stalking someone or raping someone.



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05 Dec 2013, 11:53 pm

He knows I like him without a doubt. He knows.

I also know that no aspie is the same. He's high functioning and I know he doesn't always get the joke. I know he can read body language but his problem is his own reactions, his jokes, him acting out x,y, z. He knows I like him.

If I didn't yell at him for yelling at me in public I wouldn't now. I've never made fun of him or anything. How do we go from smiling and gushing one day to running away from me? He's made a fool of himself I can't tell you how many times and I never once made an issue. I tried to educate myself and understand.

I don't deserve to be avoided.



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06 Dec 2013, 5:08 am

If you feel this upset & it's this hard for you to understand his actions; your both better off moving on because you two will have major problems maintain a relationship if you did get back together. Do your own thing, try to move on & ignore him till he talks to you.


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06 Dec 2013, 5:54 am

After being in more than a few similar life dramas, I created a mental category or tag for such unhealthy situations that I call:

"This Is Not Working For Me".

Saying that phrase to myself whenever I find I am ruminating on the object of my affliction helps me to let go and move on.

However there are times when I find that I am powerless to rescue myself from a toxically addictive infatuation. In those painful episodes I have found strength and support through 12-step work in organizations like codependents anonymous.

codependents anonymous.


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06 Dec 2013, 8:01 am

Why is he unable to make an effort?



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06 Dec 2013, 3:49 pm

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Why is he unable to make an effort?
Because of the way his Aspergers affects him which is sometimes impossible for nonAspies to grasp


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07 Dec 2013, 4:31 pm

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Can someone explain what he's saying in his mind while he sees me, looks panicked and flees? Is like Charlie Brown and the little red haired girl? He sees her, it's do overwhelming that he sticks a paper bag over his head so she doesn't see him?

So if I avoid him, I'll give him relief? That doesn't say hey you feel bad.

I think the internal monologue is something like 'Oh, s**t try to act normal, not aspie - say hello!... Ah s**t, that hello just came out garbled and half-hearted, panic, I may have put off one of the few people to have liked me... try to be natural and get out of here before you meltdown in front of everyone... ah there is the lift, try to get away as if you were invisible and try better next time.;



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09 Dec 2013, 12:31 pm

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It sounds very likely he may still like you. Sometimes when we like someone, it brings a panic response unfortunately. I can't tell you how many times I've done that. :oops:


Lets say you will see your crush, what would you like to replace the panic response? If you could verbalize what you would like to happen, how you would like to be feeling, I think that would greatly help me understand.



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09 Dec 2013, 12:31 pm

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GlendaGoodWitch wrote:
Can someone explain what he's saying in his mind while he sees me, looks panicked and flees? Is like Charlie Brown and the little red haired girl? He sees her, it's do overwhelming that he sticks a paper bag over his head so she doesn't see him?

So if I avoid him, I'll give him relief? That doesn't say hey you feel bad.

I think the internal monologue is something like 'Oh, sh** try to act normal, not aspie - say hello!... Ah sh**, that hello just came out garbled and half-hearted, panic, I may have put off one of the few people to have liked me... try to be natural and get out of here before you meltdown in front of everyone... ah there is the lift, try to get away as if you were invisible and try better next time.;


What emotions and words would you like to happen then if you saw the person you liked? How would your ideal situation go for you?



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09 Dec 2013, 12:50 pm

GlendaGoodWitch wrote:
Ferrus91 wrote:
GlendaGoodWitch wrote:
Can someone explain what he's saying in his mind while he sees me, looks panicked and flees? Is like Charlie Brown and the little red haired girl? He sees her, it's do overwhelming that he sticks a paper bag over his head so she doesn't see him?

So if I avoid him, I'll give him relief? That doesn't say hey you feel bad.

I think the internal monologue is something like 'Oh, sh** try to act normal, not aspie - say hello!... Ah sh**, that hello just came out garbled and half-hearted, panic, I may have put off one of the few people to have liked me... try to be natural and get out of here before you meltdown in front of everyone... ah there is the lift, try to get away as if you were invisible and try better next time.;


What emotions and words would you like to happen then if you saw the person you liked? How would your ideal situation go for you?

A planned meeting with something a bit less intimidating, something humdrum in which you are comfortable, and in which there is time for the initial lack of communication to be superceded by excessive communication...



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09 Dec 2013, 1:11 pm

So if he expected me on a particular day that would make him feel more prepared, comfortable? He would have time to prepare/plan what to say/do?



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09 Dec 2013, 1:20 pm

em_tsuj wrote:
Did you ever think that he has incredibly low self-esteem and does not know how you feel?


FEAR.

Disabling, immobilising, ruinous, crippling fear.

He is terrified of messing things up by even the thought of being anywhere near you, but he probably likes you so much.



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09 Dec 2013, 1:22 pm

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So if he expected me on a particular day that would make him feel more prepared, comfortable? He would have time to prepare/plan what to say/do?


No!

He will be that terrified and constantly thinking every moment for days before meeting you that when he meets you he will probably run away, so frozen in terror will he be in not screwing things up.

Can you talk to him via email? It might be a lot easier.



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09 Dec 2013, 3:00 pm

Tequila wrote:
GlendaGoodWitch wrote:
So if he expected me on a particular day that would make him feel more prepared, comfortable? He would have time to prepare/plan what to say/do?


No!

He will be that terrified and constantly thinking every moment for days before meeting you that when he meets you he will probably run away, so frozen in terror will he be in not screwing things up.

Can you talk to him via email? It might be a lot easier.


I take it that he must really like me or he wouldn't panic like that.

Instead of the panic, what do you wish you could feel when you saw the object of your affection?



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09 Dec 2013, 3:30 pm

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I have been at this for 2 years, folks! I have never laughed at him or made snide comments, even when he's ticked me off and DESERVED it.

Do you realize that we have feelings too and that your behavior affects others, sometimes negatively? It's v hurtful. You don't want to get hurt, but it's ok to hurt the other person. It's selfish.


Not always, no. It can be very difficult focusing on someone else's emotions when your own are completely overwhelming. It's a very common trait among aspires.

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I came back after being YELLED at. I forgave, I pretended like nothing happened.

How do you feel after you avoid? Do you worry about what that other person thinks of you?


Aspies are often are very short term focused. He's probably embarrassed - meltdowns are embarrassing. He probably doesn't know how to face you again, what to say or what to do to make it right.

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IHow would you feel if I saw you and didn't utter a word next time?


Terrible - but it's not always easy to put yourself in someone else' shoes - part of being autistic I'm afraid. If or when he works it out, I'm sure he will feel terrible about it.

If I had to guess, I would think he actually "likes" you, but doesn't know how to show it and feels he has completely messed p.



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09 Dec 2013, 3:46 pm

GlendaGoodWitch wrote:
IHow would you feel if I saw you and didn't utter a word next time?


Terrible - but it's not always easy to put yourself in someone else' shoes - part of being autistic I'm afraid. If or when he works it out, I'm sure he will feel terrible about it.

If I had to guess, I would think he actually "likes" you, but doesn't know how to show it and feels he has completely messed p.[/quote]

He messed up big time in June by yelling at me in public. It took me several months to reason it out and be able to see him again. I was so afraid he would yell again at the mere sight of me. It rattled me. It took me another 2 months to come around after initially seeing him to act like nothing happened and to let it go. My friend has seen him around and he looks sad, depressed, miserable, still looks for me. So I came back.