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25 Mar 2014, 12:55 am

I don't hate women its just at times I get frustrated and also have issues trusting them at times.


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25 Mar 2014, 1:12 am

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I don't think it's hate, it's that's many of them want a partner to just magically appear without any effort on their part.


This, a thousand times. Some people have serous, deep-seated issues. Not willing or can't learn about and acquire the traits that make it possible to be in a relationship with another human being.


Totally, totally agree 100%.
I'm developing a healthy fear for these "wrong people" out there, although everyone is the "right person" for someone, right? Is that just an NT myth? S&M is real...
PUA stuff taught me how to show people that I want to be friendly. I threw away the cheap sexist "tactics" nonsense.

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I've lived a long time and I've learned that men who hate, dislike, have a bad attitude about or are hostile towards women make terrible partners. Ladies, they will abuse you and unleash their rage onto you. Run, ladies, run.

(joke joke) That's why I only go for athletic women.. :lol:


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25 Mar 2014, 1:57 am

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Well I would think alot of guys here have been trying to get a GF for awhile and it never works out. If you keep trying at something and it not working that could make you bitter towards what you wanted.
That's defiantly been my case in my older posts here & it was even worse on other forums. I was dealing with depression & I know I could of dealt with things aLOT better if I had someone in my life who could understand & be supportive of me. I was aLOT more frustrated with my circumstances & experiences than women but posting was my one way of releasing frustrations & the way I analyze when posting especially when I'm in a bad mood makes me come off bitter or argumentative when I'm releasing frustration &/or trying to make sense; now when I'm in a bad mood & want to post about it I wait a day & sleep on it & I usually don't feel like bothering to post about it when I wake up. I NEVER acted bitter towards women offline. My 2nd ex was a feminist & she thought I was somewhat to; I supported during that time(& still do) prochoice, birth-control, pay equality, stopping violence against women & sexual assault, I watch The Good Wife, & I've been a member of Emily's List(I wish Hillary Clinton was president instead of Obama & want Elizabeth Warren to run) to name some things but I was labeled a misogynist at least a few times in this section when I was more frustrated but I highly doubt I'd be called that now unless someone is extremely ignorant or trolling. I get somewhat why I came off that way but that was never who I really was.


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25 Mar 2014, 5:44 am

I don't think most of us hate women we just get frustrated at times because we do get insecure and our confidence fades after being rejected time and time again. A lot of us are shy and a lot of us have been hurt and some of us have been abused by women so some of us may even be afraid of women at times. A few of us wish to express our love to women but sadly not all of us will and we will be miserable and sad forever because well? We as men are undesirable especially on the autism spectrum that is a double blow to us. Most of us are average joes and they prefer someone who is fianancially secure who drives a nice car like a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus etc. We dont look like Justin Timberlake, we don't make 6 figures a year and we are awkward with the tendancy to being nerds and or geeks. Major turn off for more nt women. All I am gonna be is a freak to them, they will judge me before getting to know me,


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25 Mar 2014, 9:27 am

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I don't think most of us hate women we just get frustrated at times because we do get insecure and our confidence fades after being rejected time and time again. A lot of us are shy and a lot of us have been hurt and some of us have been abused by women so some of us may even be afraid of women at times. A few of us wish to express our love to women but sadly not all of us will and we will be miserable and sad forever because well? We as men are undesirable especially on the autism spectrum that is a double blow to us. Most of us are average joes and they prefer someone who is fianancially secure who drives a nice car like a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus etc. We dont look like Justin Timberlake, we don't make 6 figures a year and we are awkward with the tendancy to being nerds and or geeks. Major turn off for more nt women. All I am gonna be is a freak to them, they will judge me before getting to know me,


Oh boo hoo and poppycock. You could have a girlfriend in a heartbeat if you really wanted to, but you don't want to risk getting hurt so you keep blaming your reticence on women's fussiness. At least man up enough to admit you are being a wuss and that's the only reason you are not dating right now.



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25 Mar 2014, 9:45 am

I think some people here do hate women. Others are just bitter and frustrated from failure after failure.



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25 Mar 2014, 10:20 am

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I don't think most of us hate women we just get frustrated at times because we do get insecure and our confidence fades after being rejected time and time again. A lot of us are shy and a lot of us have been hurt and some of us have been abused by women so some of us may even be afraid of women at times. A few of us wish to express our love to women but sadly not all of us will and we will be miserable and sad forever because well? We as men are undesirable especially on the autism spectrum that is a double blow to us. Most of us are average joes and they prefer someone who is fianancially secure who drives a nice car like a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus etc. We dont look like Justin Timberlake, we don't make 6 figures a year and we are awkward with the tendancy to being nerds and or geeks. Major turn off for more nt women. All I am gonna be is a freak to them, they will judge me before getting to know me,


Oh boo hoo and poppycock. You could have a girlfriend in a heartbeat if you really wanted to, but you don't want to risk getting hurt so you keep blaming your reticence on women's fussiness. At least man up enough to admit you are being a wuss and that's the only reason you are not dating right now.


Indeed, as leafplant said, you can't keep blaming women's fussiness on you not succeeding.
If you want a successful high wage job, you have to work for it, High wage jobs come with QUALIFICATIONS. Moaning you have none is never going to help the situation. Work to have your own shop or something, or a cafe, if you're not a pen and paper type of person.
As for driving skills, try and learn.
I thought I would never pass, having awful concentration and self-esteem issues, and always getting flusttered, but I did it. It took me 2 years of learning, and 4 driving tests at £150 each, but I finally did it.
Driving skill is appealing not only to a woman, (you'd be able to drive your woman around, and your children) but it would also appeal to a high wage job.

If you don't look great, work on your looks. Go to a hairdresser, not a barbers, and ask for a style, ask what's current at the moment.
Work out at the gym.
Eat better food.
Look in clothes shops for new clothes. If you don't know how to put outfits together, take ideas from what other people are wearing around you the same age as you, or same build. Take ideas from the mannequins in the windows. Look through some celebrity magazines, and see what respectable men are wearing.


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25 Mar 2014, 10:43 am

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I don't think most of us hate women we just get frustrated at times because we do get insecure and our confidence fades after being rejected time and time again. A lot of us are shy and a lot of us have been hurt and some of us have been abused by women so some of us may even be afraid of women at times. A few of us wish to express our love to women but sadly not all of us will and we will be miserable and sad forever because well? We as men are undesirable especially on the autism spectrum that is a double blow to us. Most of us are average joes and they prefer someone who is fianancially secure who drives a nice car like a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus etc. We dont look like Justin Timberlake, we don't make 6 figures a year and we are awkward with the tendancy to being nerds and or geeks. Major turn off for more nt women. All I am gonna be is a freak to them, they will judge me before getting to know me,


Oh boo hoo and poppycock. You could have a girlfriend in a heartbeat if you really wanted to, but you don't want to risk getting hurt so you keep blaming your reticence on women's fussiness. At least man up enough to admit you are being a wuss and that's the only reason you are not dating right now.



isn't that bit ...harsh? How do you know that he can have a gf in a heartbeat?



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25 Mar 2014, 11:01 am

Yes we do.

This is our man-cave.

The rules actually state you cant be a girl.

Studies show autistic men are three times as likely to get cooties so we are very careful when interacting with one.



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25 Mar 2014, 12:37 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
I don't think most of us hate women we just get frustrated at times because we do get insecure and our confidence fades after being rejected time and time again. A lot of us are shy and a lot of us have been hurt and some of us have been abused by women so some of us may even be afraid of women at times. A few of us wish to express our love to women but sadly not all of us will and we will be miserable and sad forever because well? We as men are undesirable especially on the autism spectrum that is a double blow to us. Most of us are average joes and they prefer someone who is fianancially secure who drives a nice car like a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus etc. We dont look like Justin Timberlake, we don't make 6 figures a year and we are awkward with the tendancy to being nerds and or geeks. Major turn off for more nt women. All I am gonna be is a freak to them, they will judge me before getting to know me,


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25 Mar 2014, 12:57 pm

Can't speak for other guys on here, but I actually like women a lot, it's why they're so incredibly frustrating.

An example of said frustration as follows.

Girl says she's looking for X, Y, Z. Guy thinks he offer this girl what she claims to be looking for, tries to be the hero/knight in shining armour. Girl rejects him sometimes throwing his efforts straight back in his face hence coming across as ungrateful. Guy gets pissed off because he doesn't know where he went wrong. Girl then complains 2 weeks later she can't find anyone decent/genuine and nobody likes her for who she is. Rinse and repeat cycle. :wall:



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25 Mar 2014, 1:03 pm

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Can't speak for other guys on here, but I actually like women a lot, it's why they're so incredibly frustrating.

An example of said frustration as follows.

Girl says she's looking for X, Y, Z. Guy thinks he offer this girl what she claims to be looking for, tries to be the hero/knight in shining armour. Girl rejects him sometimes throwing his efforts straight back in his face hence coming across as ungrateful. Guy gets pissed off because he doesn't know where he went wrong. Girl then complains 2 weeks later she can't find anyone decent/genuine and nobody likes her for who she is. Rinse and repeat cycle. :wall:
Exactly!


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25 Mar 2014, 1:07 pm

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Can't speak for other guys on here, but I actually like women a lot, it's why they're so incredibly frustrating.

An example of said frustration as follows.

Girl says she's looking for X, Y, Z. Guy thinks he offer this girl what she claims to be looking for, tries to be the hero/knight in shining armour. Girl rejects him sometimes throwing his efforts straight back in his face hence coming across as ungrateful. Guy gets pissed off because he doesn't know where he went wrong. Girl then complains 2 weeks later she can't find anyone decent/genuine and nobody likes her for who she is. Rinse and repeat cycle. :wall:
Exactly!


It is all based on the fact that you get cooties when you are around her.

They think we can hang out and then they feel disgusted when they see we get cooties.

Happens to every one of us.

It was discussed on my earlier post on this subject



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25 Mar 2014, 1:20 pm

I doubt anyone is going to come out on here, and say "I hate women!" I like to think misogyny has been on a decline, in Western culture at least, since the 1910's. Yet still there are men who get drunk and beat their girlfriends or wives, men who rape women, and men who will just plain believe females are lesser than them. There are still cultures out there where marriages are arranged, where women can't vote, or go out in public unescorted by a man, and even cultures where all women are essentially born slaves. I don't think we as Homo Sapiens have evolved to the point where we can overcome prejudiced, that's for the next race of homo's to decide, but we're getting there, slowly but surely we're getting there.



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25 Mar 2014, 1:23 pm

Cooties are indeed a serious issue, but perhaps not the only one. To answer the original question, no, not every guy here hates women. I know that for a fact, since I'm a guy and I'm quite fond of them. :P I'm also personally reasonably capable of dealing with women, with or without cooties... Probably stems from my inability to give a buck what almost anyone says anymore, but still.

Edit: Pardon my lapse. I meant most guys don't hate women.



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25 Mar 2014, 2:19 pm

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I don't think most of us hate women we just get frustrated at times because we do get insecure and our confidence fades after being rejected time and time again. A lot of us are shy and a lot of us have been hurt and some of us have been abused by women so some of us may even be afraid of women at times. A few of us wish to express our love to women but sadly not all of us will and we will be miserable and sad forever because well?


This part - "the situation" - I can fully identify with.. I'm through it now, but I've certainly felt this way at various stages in my life. Most of my teenage years, and also during some of the dark periods of depression in my late 20s and 30s.

However this part - your conclusion - I'm afraid is way off the mark.

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We as men are undesirable especially on the autism spectrum that is a double blow to us. Most of us are average joes and they prefer someone who is fianancially secure who drives a nice car like a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus etc. We dont look like Justin Timberlake, we don't make 6 figures a year and we are awkward with the tendancy to being nerds and or geeks. Major turn off for more nt women. All I am gonna be is a freak to them, they will judge me before getting to know me,


I can tell you from first hand experience this is just not true.

From my late 20s and early 30s My career was going well.. I owned a cool flat in a very desirable part of London with movie star neighbours, I had a money, a fancy sports car, prospects.. everything that you're saying women look for... and yet I was single through that entire time... obsessing over my unrequited for a girl who obviously liked me, but as a friend and nothing more. I was confused and frustrated.

Then things started to go really badly.. I lost everything, the car, the flat, my career and my money through some very poor decisions, and spent the next 3 years failing at just about everything I tried.. finally hitting rock bottom about 3 years ago. Broke, unemployed, nearly 40, living on welfare in a leaky flat in a rough part of London. and without any idea at all what I could do to support myself, let alone get back to a position of security and comfort. I thought I'd never be happy again, let alone meet someone and have a normal life.

Out of desperation to get some sort of human contact, I set myself a challenge.. to go on meetup.com and pick the meetups that were as far from my normal areas of interest as possible. And it was one of those, that I met my current partner. Right from the outset I didn't try to hide my financial situation.. she knew I was literally starting again from scratch, but it didn't matter to her. A month or so later I did get a job, but then got made redundant, and now I'm self employed and working on startup. I'm still broke, I still can't afford to take her out for a meal, my yearly clothing budget is whatever i get in gift vouchers from family at Xmas (around £150 / $250 dollars ), and still struggle to eat a proper diet, but despite having nothing, we've got closer and closer.

So what is it that attracted her? I think a few factors.

1. I never complained or blamed anyone else for my situation. Yes, the credit crunch was a big part of it, and I could easily blame bankers, the government etc, but I don't. I made my own decisions - nobody forced me to take stupid risks I couldn't afford, and take full responsibility for the fact I made bad choices. Women like men who take personal responsibility for their actions. It shows we're emotionally mature.

2. I never gave up. even at my bleakest moments, I looked for solutions.. ( e.g, the meetup challenge I set myself ). Women like men who never give up, despite the odds. It shows we're fighters and won't give up on them or our potential offspring if life gets tough

3. I didn't try to pretend, or hide my real situation. Women like honesty. It shows they can trust us

4. As men, our job is to provide and protect. I couldn't provide material things, and I still can't (yet!), but I can provide my attention, my time, my willingness to try to understand her, my ideas to help her solve her problems, and my humour to cheer her up when she's down herself. Women can work and pay for the material things themselves these days, but there's still plenty of things that only you can provide.

The point I'm trying to make with all this is that money, material goods, fancy cars etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. You have everything you need to attracted women already. You just need to find it in yourself. I promise you it's in there... hardwired into your very being.. You just need to declutter your head and clear out some of the false conclusions and assumptions that are getting in the way.

( and no, I don't look like Justin Timberlake either! :) )


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